Scott Frost. They'll see the "0" in his record and mistake that for an undefeated season!
DP Show's Seton gushes about ISU
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Scott Frost. They'll see the "0" in his record and mistake that for an undefeated season!
They seem to be going in the right direction. Dorsey should be alright. They've had a huge influx of talent recently. I'd probably bet on them being in the playoffs 2021.
I havent read this entire thread as I stopped after DM is better than Troy Davis...TD, as every single person who was around then including now most of the media, was the heisman winner and was completely robbed of that trophy.
Look I love DM to death and he certainly is right up there but Troy Davis had back to back 2000 yard seasons with 11 games not 12. Not to mention every single defensive player in every single game knew TD was getting the ball 90% of the time.
I dont want to get into all the reasons and an argument etc as DM is really special...but there will only be 1 Troy Davis. He’s in the college football Hall of fame. Had no facilities..played on a crappy turf with a piss poor offense besides a few OL and did what he did....ok I’ll stop now...I just cant.
Look I love DM to death and he certainly is right up there but Troy Davis had back to back 2000 yard seasons with 11 games not 12. Not to mention every single defensive player in every single game knew TD was getting the ball 90% of the time.
I dont want to get into all the reasons and an argument etc as DM is really special...but there will only be 1 Troy Davis. He’s in the college football Hall of fame. Had no facilities..played on a crappy turf with a piss poor offense besides a few OL and did what he did....ok I’ll stop now...I just cant.
To me, TD was perfectly geared to play running back specifically.
DM is a really good all around football player that is playing running back. Trained as a QB, I think he'd be a really good linebacker or safety/robber type of position too.
I was in middle school when TD was playing and rarely saw him play, but it was still a cool national story.
Really glad I get to see a talent like DM. He's not as flashy and twisting/turning as TD was but it's something special to just watch someone with that kind of physical dominance.
I guess I just I don't remember any struggles. Seemed like conservative offense by choice (run the ball a lot) due to the rain. I find it difficult, even against Kansas, to classify 45 points as struggling.
After that:
31-13 win at TT
14-7 win over TCU
16-20 loss at WV
42-49 loss against OkState
23-13 win at Baylor
19-20 loss at KState
21-20 win over Memphis
That's not amazing, but "unproductive" seems a little harsh. 3+ scores in all but the TCU game.
Rewatch the KU game. The defense and ST didn’t struggle, but the offense was bad for the first 50 minutes. Again, at the time it was written off as due to a conservative game plan with the rain, but it ended up being very indicative of the fact the offense from the first half of the season would not return. If the offense were was good as the defense we probably would have lost only one game in that time.
24, 7,16, 23, 19, 21, and 3 (Iowa), 14 (TCU) is struggling, particularly when you consider some of those defenses were not good. Akron and OU were average given the defenses.
I know Campbell is probably confident he can coach at any level, but his style is such a perfect fit for the college game. He's a player's coach but also sets expectations very high when it comes to dedicating your time to the team. That could be an issue at the next level.
Campbell ain't going nowhere and DM is a better athlete than Troy.
Nwagwu is better than Lang
Seems that way, although I think Lang is going to be a good one. I’d love to get them both in space more.
I’m not sure why, but Croney isn’t as exciting, but he’s maybe the best at finding holes.
QUOTE="BWRhasnoAC, post: 6350454, member: 17867"]Campbell ain't going nowhere and DM is a better athlete than Troy.[/QUOTE]
"Better athlete" Are we runnin' a decathalon? Comparing players of different eras is always risky, but this is plain silly. We can say Montgomery is a fine football player and an essential part of our team without saying he's better than a two-time all-American, Hall-of-Famer, Heisman runner-up, and ISU's all-time leading rusher. I think backs such as Dexter Green, Ennis Haywood, Blaise Bryant, and Dwayne Crutchfield should be given their due as well. I'm sure there are other outstanding backs in ISU's history that were before my time. Why isn't saying "the kid is good" good enough"
"Better athlete" Are we runnin' a decathalon? Comparing players of different eras is always risky, but this is plain silly. We can say Montgomery is a fine football player and an essential part of our team without saying he's better than a two-time all-American, Hall-of-Famer, Heisman runner-up, and ISU's all-time leading rusher. I think backs such as Dexter Green, Ennis Haywood, Blaise Bryant, and Dwayne Crutchfield should be given their due as well. I'm sure there are other outstanding backs in ISU's history that were before my time. Why isn't saying "the kid is good" good enough"
I think as an X's and O's guy, Campbell is very good. I believe his even demeanor and systematic approach to the game would work well in the pros. He seems to command a great deal of respect from his players. It really comes down to his career goals and priorities. Build a consistent winner at ISU and we'll put a statue outside the stadium and name a building after you. Go to the pros and you're likely fired after the first losing season.
"Better athlete" Are we runnin' a decathalon? Comparing players of different eras is always risky, but this is plain silly. We can say Montgomery is a fine football player and an essential part of our team without saying he's better than a two-time all-American, Hall-of-Famer, Heisman runner-up, and ISU's all-time leading rusher. I think backs such as Dexter Green, Ennis Haywood, Blaise Bryant, and Dwayne Crutchfield should be given their due as well. I'm sure there are other outstanding backs in ISU's history that were before my time. Why isn't saying "the kid is good" good enough"[/QUOTE]
I love Troy but he didn't make it in the league, David will. He was incredible but he's not the same kind of total package like Montgomery. Troy also carried the ball 50 times in one game. Montgomery would run for 2k as well in that kind of offense. Troy will always be special as will Haywood, Crutchfield, etc. Montgomery has it in between the ears as much as he does physically which is why he is a better overall athlete.
I love Troy but he didn't make it in the league, David will. He was incredible but he's not the same kind of total package like Montgomery. Troy also carried the ball 50 times in one game. Montgomery would run for 2k as well in that kind of offense. Troy will always be special as will Haywood, Crutchfield, etc. Montgomery has it in between the ears as much as he does physically which is why he is a better overall athlete.[/QUOTE]
DM is awesome and I love the kid, but there's no way you can just throw that out there. Could he? Maybe, but there's no way to say he would when almost no one has done it once, and no one ever has done it twice. I know you don't need the history lesson, but for the sake of some with recency bias, TD carried the ball that much because there wasn't a lot around him. Doxzon was an excellent athlete, a fine option QB and probably a better passer than he gets credit for, but he wasn't a threat to sling it around much at all and even if he could, to who? There was no Butler, no Eaton, no stud tight-ends, no Jones or Milton etc. TD had a better run blocking line than DM has. That is literally the only thing he had in his favor, including training facilities, trainers, dietitians, field conditions etc. DM saw a defense this past weekend that keyed on taking him away and he barely would have average 3 ypc if he hadn't broke a couple good runs late. TD LITERALLY went up against that every weekend, and still ran for 2 grand, back to back seasons, with 11 game schedules. Also, iirc, the final year of the Big 8 (TD's first 2000 yard season), the conference ended up with 4 teams in the year end top 10 including the National Champion...pretty salty competition.
DM will more than likely make the league and if his success there ends up being the barometer we choose to use, then he may well go down as the better back. As far as the total package, TD was a pretty decent receiver and a vicious blocker. I know you're not saying TD wasn't great, but I just don't think it's fair to TD's legacy to say that DM or anybody else would automatically run for 2000 if we just gave them the ball 50x/game, no matter how great an athlete they are. The kind of durability it took for Troy Davis to tote the ball as much as he did was and still is freaking unbelievable.
We're lucky to have a special back now like DM, just like we were back then in TD.
Eh, they already have talked about our DC...why not go for the whole schmear?Campbell
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Obviously rain and score were factors, but the offense wasn't good against KU. PR TD and some short fields all day. KU averaged giving up 6.4 yards/play on the season, and ISU had 4.6 that game plus punted 9 times.
FFWIW Memphis averaged giving up 34 ppg, and here's what the Big12 teams game up on the season (which includes non-con). So more often than not, ISU was held under an opponents typical ppg.
