"Have one that can" what? No where did I blame MM for previous recruiting. And, you're a tad off base.
Done with Wally
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"Have one that can" what? No where did I blame MM for previous recruiting. And, you're a tad off base.
You said he decides what player goes on the field in response to CTT saying sam missed throws on the field. Saying that, you are insinuating that he picked the inaccurate option. I said maybe their isn't anyone at QB that is very accurate. No need to back peddle
I get what your are saying, but its not about living in the past of what we have done or have not done. It's about now and gauging vs. other Big 12 teams. We have had coaches who brought in very good defensive talent (see Earl Bruce years and the 2004 McCarney team, and even the team we had 3 years ago).
Its about recruiting Football players...what I mean by that is give me a kid that may not run a 4.5 at LB, but is a Jesse Smith type kid...tough, hits hard, smart..a Football player. Always in the right position, good at basic footwork and tackling fundamentals. A kid that gets recruited to play the same position he played in high school in the Front 7 that understands what to do instead of learning on the fly. We have been robbing Peter to pay Paul so many times in the recent history in the front 7 ie., making safeties into LB's, DE's into DT's on necessity etc, (which is fine if a kid truly grows into it, but not as a regular rule).
We need a younger DC with a strong history like Mangino or on his way to that, who knows the Chicago, St. Louis, Houston, Atlanta, or FL areas well who will go on the road to actually recruit those areas HARD, scout players in person, ala. Mangino in DFW, and not delegate it. All hands on deck. 85% of the kids on Scholarship should come from outside Iowa in the football rich states. Anything less is settling, fine for a few but not the majority of your defense.
I agree. I'm sure it would create a merry-go-round and I don't care to get on one right now. Just stating opinions, and realize that's all they are. Probably much like yourself.
As was mentioned above, adding ex-Penn State DC Tom Bradley to their staff this year as assoc. head coach and DL coach has changed everything for them. Night and day difference in defense compared to last year.
There's no question in my mind that the staff that recruited this team is not nearly as good at talent evaluation and player development than what is needed at ISU. I've reserved judgement and kept my mouth shut about the Strength and Conditioning of our guys for long enough - everything I see in that regard from leverage, strength, conditioning and injuries tell me that this area is failing relative to our competition. We don't have enough Big12 caliber linemen and linebackers, which is half your team. We finally have some skill guys who are Big12 caliber - not top25 level but solid Big12 guys - and our OL isn't good, and DL and LB positions are awful. We had the reverse in the past where we had some good guys and a few NFL quality and then not one skill guy who was solid Big12 caliber.
We have a long ways to go to get the talent level up, and get them really developed. I know there will be defenders of our S&C staff, but the results are obvious that it isn't adequate. We also have had far too many misses in recruiting with a level of attrition that will kill a program like ISU. These things have hamstrung Rhoads' regime at this point. The other problem was the huge mistake of promoting Messingham, which was a colossal blunder.
If that is the case, I would be in favor of Wally stepping down and getting rid of Shane for some new blood. Not sure Wally deserves to be fired but the defense seems like a cluster****. If our DL and lbs were not so bad, our safety's could help the corners on coverage more and they wouldn't have to play 8 yards off every play
I don't doubt that he is a strong addition, but my point is he didn't recruit the Sophs, Jr.'s and Sr.'s on that defense. He very well could be making a big difference in development/coaching, but he had some talent to start with (recruiting from 2-3-4 yrs. back)....WV may be a bit undersized but they are TOUGH pound for pound ie., "football" players, not athletes trying to be football players. On our defense, I can ID our football players who are playing in the correct position they were brought to ISU for....Cotton-Moya, Mutcherson, Tribune, Morrissey and maybe even Cousins when healthy. We have a lot of good athletes on defense, but many are not true football players for the Div I level. That is not the player's fault. That is on the coaches.
The bottom line is WV has been in the league for 3 years and they are kicking our *** in recruiting on the defensive side of the ball. Doesn't surprise me what they are doing in offense, because that is their identity. But their defense is Salty, which is basically what CPR promised us when he took the job. Ours should be on the same level, IMO. Not all world, but much better than where we are now.
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You could see that WV's defense was different in their very first game against Alabama. It was startling. After being awful (certainly not salty) in their first 2 years in the Big 12, Holgorsen promoted his safeties coach to DC and hired Bradley:
"He (Holgorsen) promoted the energetic and popular Tony Gibson from safeties coach to coordinator. Then, to add experience to the defensive staff, Holgorsen brought in longtime Penn State assistant Tom Bradley.
Together, Gibson and Bradley have infused the West Virginia defense with an aggressive attitude and cool confidence.
'Those guys brought the mindset we needed,' said linebacker Nick Kwiatkoski, who leads the Mountaineers in tackles. 'They stress being relentless, no matter what happens. The mentality has been the biggest difference.' "
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/91740/coaching-hires-have-spurred-tcu-wvu
Agree. I had always thought Shane was next in line, but not sure that is the best idea. If that is the case, Wally needs to retire now, and let Shane install his system so ISU gets the growing pains out of the way before next season.
If its not Shane, then a guy like David Gibbs from Houston would be a great fit.
Wow - I phrased that poorly, huh?
What I was getting at - of our wins, which ones were via offensive explosion versus defensive efforts?
I realize that's a bit loaded - if the offense does go off and the D doesn't hold up - we lose. But still - when has the O really competed with a worthwhile opponent? We can point to several occasions where the D manned up.
We don't out-offense opponents - Wally has pitched more than his share of defensive gems, than the offense has put up gaudy numbers. We play anyone with a pulse - the offense folds like a lawn chair almost ALWAYS.
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You're right. This is one of those 'behind the scenes' situations that clearly needs to be looked into, and addressed, at a minimum.
Bumping this. We all brought our pitch forks when Messingham was in town. I feel like we give Wally the biggest pass of all time. How can A 72 year old man relate to kids 18-22 years old?
Don't compare wally to mess. Wally is a very good coach. Our issue is talent and player development. It's a pervasive issue on both sides of the ball for which Rhoads himself is responsible.
How is it different? CPR was also responsible for players on offense when messingham was here. The thing that boggles my mind is that CPR is a "defensive minded" head coach, shouldn't the strength be defense?
It's different for me because I think Wally actually knows how to coach, unlike Mess.
But to be honest, the entire staff should be fired. I just couldn't see firing Wally if we're keeping CPR.
