Dis the Ducks

[RatherBeYachting]

Again, Texas isn’t going to the PAC. You can say the PAC deal was poorly negotiated and talk about population and footprint all you want. But in the end both leagues deals are up at the same time and what UT and Oklahoma are getting is way more than PAC and ACC teams are getting, and that gap is way more than “negotiating better” would’ve done.
Second, the idea that population and footprint is a major driver moving forward is totally wrong. That is still a factor, but that purely matters in the old cable/satellite model, where subscribers are dropping almost 10% year over year. The Big 12s ESPN+ deal was a tiny tip of the iceberg. When these last deals were made, over 100 million households were cable or sat subscribers. By 2024 it might be half of that. That means conferences with big population bases that don’t have fans actively willing to seek out and pay for content are going to keep getting less and less attractive.

Everybody that understands how this works knows that in the long run expanding with Maryland and Rutgers for TV markets is going to end up costing the Big 10 money per capita. The days of cashing in on subscribers that don’t really want to watch college football are waning at a fast rate.

PAC got a fairly poor deal last time, and that was when population was far more important than actual eyeballs and interest.

If you think PAC has any chance of poaching UT or Oklahoma, you have zero idea how any of this works.

I never said that poaching Texas is a possibility for the Pac-12 at the moment, I said that I don’t want any expansion that doesn’t involve them. There are no other schools in the geographic vicinity that are worth adding, so expansion is pointless.
My take is that by the end of decade there will be something akin to two super conferences of 40 programs. It might be football only, not clear on what it would look like. It should be a worrisome prospect for the less relevant and not well funded programs.
I think the G-5 and P-5 are reaching a breaking point in the current arrangement, so there is bound to be a schism sooner or later within the FCS.

 

[20eyes]

The CFP is a joke. It should be called the P5 invitational.

The CFP is what we've made it. Once we decided that the traditional Bowls weren't good enough we were bound to get something like the CFP.

God forbid we give respect to what made college football great (the traditional Bowls) and just play a plus one decided by sports writers...

 

[20eyes]

My take is that by the end of decade there will be something akin to two super conferences of 40 programs. It might be football only, not clear on what it would look like. It should be a worrisome prospect for the less relevant and not well funded programs.

I agree. But I think this perverse desire Americans have for making CFB into the NFL lite will whittle that down to 32.

Good for Ducks fans, Cyclones fans not so much... But at least we'll have ONE TRUE CHAMPION!!!

 

[RatherBeYachting]

I agree. But I think this perverse desire Americans have for making CFB into the NFL lite will whittle that down to 32.

Good for Ducks fans, Cyclones fans not so much... But at least we'll have ONE TRUE CHAMPION!!!

Not really good for fans, that’s a big part of what makes college football special. The tradition, variety, the rough around the edges feel, major underdogs and Cinderellas. The sanitized parity of the NFL is boring to me, I only care about it to see former Ducks play and for fantasy purposes.

We’ll see if it actually happens. There’s a lot of money, and the Alabamas and Ohio States will want to split it with fewer parties.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I agree. But I think this perverse desire Americans have for making CFB into the NFL lite will whittle that down to 32.

Good for Ducks fans, Cyclones fans not so much... But at least we'll have ONE TRUE CHAMPION!!!

Screw NFL Lite! CFB is meant for CFB fans not NFL fans who want to change CFB.

 

[AlaCyclone]

I know what it is and I still wouldn't watch it. This is like claiming Rutgers brings the NY market to the B10. No one gives a **** about Rutgers.

Two opposite things actually. I agree that the Rutgers-B1G-NYC thing is not as B1G as they thought it would be. However, Oregon exported their GOOD product to the East via Yes. That was solid marketing - especially in the East (where they are not so single team focused). I wish Iowa State could strike a deal with Yes or any other non-mainstream network picked up all over the country on DirecTV. That would be great for the brand!

 

[CyCrazy]

Two opposite things actually. I agree that the Rutgers-B1G-NYC thing is not as B1G as they thought it would be. However, Oregon exported their GOOD product to the East via Yes. That was solid marketing - especially in the East (where they are not so single team focused). I wish Iowa State could strike a deal with Yes or any other non-mainstream network picked up all over the country on DirecTV. That would be great for the brand!

Ya not apples to apples, but I still can't see how the YES network is really benefiting Oregon. If it is more power to them.

 

[DarkStar]

While I don't disagree, seeing as we're both in P5 conferences...

Our national football champions will contribute to be determined by an ever changing set of arbitrary eye test criteria designed to reach a predetermined outcome.

If you want to chase a carrort on a stick, knock yourself out.

Me, I'll respect striving for excellence.

Go Cyclones.

 

[RatherBeYachting]

What are some of Iowa State’s traditions? Pre-game, after the third quarter, etc? What are some of the unique things us outside fans don’t know about?

One of the fun things I remember is after the third quarter of the 2012 Rose Bowl against Wisconsin they played Jump Around for Wisconsin and Shout! for Oregon.

Some of ours:
* The PA announcer Don Essig reads the weather report, ended by “as we all know... IT NEVER RAINS AT AUTZEN STADIUM!”
* They play audio/video of The Pick.
* The Duck (that’s the official name of the mascot, although I and many others prefer Puddles. Puddles was a pet duck owned by a fraternity in the 1930s who would come to games, but animal rights activists helped end the practice as allegedly Puddles was given alcohol) rides out on the back of a Harley to lead the players on to the field out of the tunnel.
* After the first quarter they play Mat Kearney’s Coming Home. A newer addition, and one that I’m not a huge fan of since it feels too slow, but lots of people like it.
* At halftime you used to be able to leave to go to tailgate or to the indoor practice facility next door to drink, but with stadium alcohol sales that is discontinued.
* After the third quarter we play Shout! since Animal House was filmed on campus after Harvard declined. Here is the video they play on the screen, it was made in 2014 to be a Nike commercial that aired after the Ducks won the national title so at least it’s getting some use. The fans really get into it. Last year our star LB Troy Dye really took over leading it, his brother Travis is the teams leading rusher this year.

Not a tradition, but the walk from campus involves crossing a pedestrian foot bridge over the Willamette River and then walking through Alton Baker park where Prefontaine used to run. Students, and adults, use the opportunity to chug some beers and smoke some doobies. I still remember a ~13 year old visiting Nebraska fan turning to his dad and saying “it really smells like skunk here” and I busted up laughing.

So whatcha got Cyclones?

 

[JM4CY]

Weird camera view. Neil gets played after wins. Although some fans weirdly loathe it.

 

[GoDuckxs349]

Okay Ducks, who do you hate more - Oregon State or Washington? I would assume Oregon State being an in-state rival, but I get the impression from the postings on here its Washington.

I will tell you one of my favorite Oregon vs. OSU basketball stories during the Kamikaze Kids era. The game was being played in "The Pit" (AKA, Mac Court home of the Ducks). The Oregon band began playing the intro to the "OSU" fight song, all of the OSU fans were on there feet clapping as the Duck band transitioned it into the "Oregon Fight Song". All these beav fans ended up standing there clapping to the Oregon fight song. It was pretty funny. And of course the PIT was rocking and the scoreboard hanging from the ceiling was bouncing on the safety chains and your ears were wringing from the noise level. Loved that place, lots of memories....

 

[20eyes]

What are some of Iowa State’s traditions?

So whatcha got Cyclones?

Others chime in if I'm getting any of this wrong...

Our marching band is referred to as the "Varsity" marching band...

Earle Bruce coached here in the mid-late '70's and had some really good teams. But he was a well known hard-ass. One day after band practice some kids went down to the locker room and started cleaning their tubas or some **** when out pops Earle...he goes bananas, "What the **** are you idiots doing in here, this is the VARSITY LOCKER ROOM"!!! To which one of the kids replies, "Coach! It's okay, we're in the VARSITY marching band"!!!

 

[madguy30]

The CFP is what we've made it. Once we decided that the traditional Bowls weren't good enough we were bound to get something like the CFP.

God forbid we give respect to what made college football great (the traditional Bowls) and just play a plus one decided by sports writers...

How much of the original BCS formula is used?

If that were more concrete and was used for the CFP at least we'd have a more sound way to pick the teams.

 

[Cardinal and Gold]

What are some of Iowa State’s traditions?

There are a lot. Some old...some newer, my favorite tradition is our tailgating. I've been to a lot of venues and there are only a handful that do tailgating comparable to how we do it in Ames. If you want a good conversation, ask about tailgating food. With decades of terrible to mediocre football, tailgating became as much a part of the game as the game itself. Morning or afternoon games, it doesn't matter because the lots around Jack Trice will be jam packed with tailgating tents in all directions. Win or lose, we still booze is an often used phrase as we showed up every week for our weekly kick in the nuts just to come back for it again a week or two later. We are a very passionate loyal fan base. One whose attendance has bucked the recent trends of college football and continued to grow year over year even in spite of the results on the field (before Campbell). Now our loyal fan base is finally being rewarded with great football and I'd argue it is sweeter and more appreciated because of how long we've waited (since the late 70's, with a good spree in the early 00's) The best part is that it seems to be built to last.

 

[t-noah]

...My take is that by the end of decade there will be something akin to two super conferences of 40 programs. It might be football only, not clear on what it would look like. It should be a worrisome prospect for the less relevant and not well funded programs.
I think the G-5 and P-5 are reaching a breaking point in the current arrangement, so there is bound to be a schism sooner or later within the FCS.

That might be a great way to create less interest, not more, in college football. An elitist (say best 40) plan would quickly grow old and disenfranchise a large group of fans.

I hope your crystal ball view of two super-conferences is wrong.

 

[RatherBeYachting]

Thanks for the replies.

IE Sweet Caroline, this isn’t a football tradition, but one of Eugene’s best known bars, Max’s Tavern, has people stand on the benches and sing Sweet Caroline before closing.
Max’s Tavern is supposedly the inspiration for Moe’s Tavern in The Simpson’s. Creator Matt Groening is from Portland and named his characters after Portland streets, but he went to Evergreen College, not Oregon. The Geoducks of Evergreen make U of O and Berkeley look like BYU and Liberty.

 

[RatherBeYachting]

I also hope I’m wrong. It has been talked about by pundits for years and nothing has given indication of it happening - we did come really close when the Big-12 was picked apart with Texas and Oklahoma being a day away from leaving.

With the growing gulf between the haves and have nots, disappointment in the lack of equity in the CFP system, recruiting becoming even more top heavy, and most importantly the changing attendance and TV/media landscape we are entering a new era of college football. The pandemic and the revenue shortfalls it has begat might accelerate everything.

 

[simply1]

I also hope I’m wrong. It has been talked about by pundits for years and nothing has given indication of it happening - we did come really close when the Big-12 was picked apart with Texas and Oklahoma being a day away from leaving.

With the growing gulf between the haves and have nots, disappointment in the lack of equity in the CFP system, recruiting becoming even more top heavy, and most importantly the changing attendance and TV/media landscape we are entering a new era of college football. The pandemic and the revenue shortfalls it has begat might accelerate everything.

I don't think it will get to 40, just because the haves needs some teams to beat up on. Nobody's fans are going to be happy having 20 teams at .500 or under and 20 teams at .500 or over, if that makes sense.

 

[RatherBeYachting]

I applaud all of you for your restraint in not making fun of Oregon’s uniform obsession. Feel free to have at it, we’ve heard it all. The uniform variety is kind of our thing, and being Nike’s guinea pig has its benefits.

Since y’all are wearing that blackish grey and the other Fiesta team usually wears white jerseys my guess will be yellow cleats, yellow britches, white jersey with green accents and yellow helmets. The cleats aren’t a guess, as the team was given the new yellow OBJ cleats to break in last week.
It will look something like:

 

[CloneGuy8]

I applaud all of you for your restraint in not making fun of Oregon’s uniform obsession. Feel free to have at it, we’ve heard it all. The uniform variety is kind of our thing, and being Nike’s guinea pig has its benefits.

Since y’all are wearing that blackish grey and the other Fiesta team usually wears white jerseys my guess will be yellow cleats, yellow britches, white jersey with green accents and yellow helmets. The cleats aren’t a guess, as the team was given the new yellow OBJ cleats to break in last week.
It will look something like:
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As long as you don't have a classic uniform like Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, ect I think alternate uniforms are cool. Our black jerseys aren't my favorite look, but the players seem to like them so I'm all for it. These chrome helmets you have are pretty amazing