I have a friend from Germany who referred to it as the Hitler channel. I don't see Hitler as the type to go quietly into the night. If he made it to South America I don't see him living a recluse life. That is why I am sure he perished in Berlin.
Did Hitler Live Past WW2
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I have a friend from Germany who referred to it as the Hitler channel. I don't see Hitler as the type to go quietly into the night. If he made it to South America I don't see him living a recluse life. That is why I am sure he perished in Berlin.
That one is an interesting scenario. You could make a similar one about the Battle of Britain. Immediately after the fall of France was a rather dark hour.
Assuming Churchill holds on, I do not see a way forward for Germany, however. The main issue, ironically, comes down to British politics and not anything on the battlefield. How close was Churchill really to going down? I do not think the Germans could have forced the British out of the war by military means. Even if the refugee army at Dunkirk as annihilated, which you correctly note would have been difficult given the Germans were already at their logistical breaking point, then the Germans still need to (a.) chase off the RAF and Royal Navy to open their way to a (b.) extremely hazardous cross-Channel invasion, which would have been hard.
This is why I conflate Dunkirk and the Battle of Britain -- both confrontations are ultimately about if Germany could successful invade Britain. I doubt they could. British air power and sea power was too much, just enough help was coming through Lend-Lease, and running an invasion across the Channel or the North Sea was not something to undertake lightly nor anything the German Army was really prepared to do. It took years of preparation for Overlord; not sure the Germans had a similar patience to be ready for such an ambitious enterprise.
All this is moot if Churchill does not hang on, though. If he is out at PM, then the British might sue for peace, which ends that phase of the war.
Hitler would have still invaded the Soviets at some point. That was the whole point of this thing to him -- his ideology drove him to want the verdant lands to the east, he hated the Bolsheviks, he hated the Slavs, and he personally hated Stalin. It is easier to imagine the Germans winning that war if it was a "one-on-one" between them and the Soviets, but I am not sure if the U.K. suing for peace ends Lend-Lease. The Germans were close to Moscow in 1941, but the Soviet Union was essentially a strategic black hole, with near infinite land, manpower, hunger, and cold for any invading army. Napoleon took Moscow and ultimately lost.
I still think the Soviets grind out a war of attrition on them in the long-run.
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Hey guys, just got to Berlin for a weekend stop during a nearby work trip a few hours ago. Had some good sausages and a few biers. Decided to pop by CF quick before researching what I should see and do over the next two days or so. Luckily, I need look no further. Added "investigate and solve Hitler escape conspiracy" to the list as top priority. Will report back Monday. Prost!
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Doubtful but it is possible. Maybe his rich American friends that were funding him helped him get out and go into hiding. Yeah, I'm talking to you bush family!!
Hitler was a sensitive man.
Hitler was a sensitive man.
Started binge-watching Hunting Hitler tonight. I don't find it even a little bit credible. Multi-camera shoots, designed to look like they're occurring spontaneously. Hand-held cameras with intentional motion to give it the feel of a live shot. Carefully spliced-in reaction shots. I laughed out loud a couple times. They're in the "middle of nowhere" wearing camera makeup for crying out loud. If I'm being honest, I'm not even convinced they actually WENT to Argentina.
Same with Animal Planet. Their best stuff is still when they occasionally just have detailed filming of animals doing what they do with no human interference.
It's unbelievable, watching Hunting Hitler, how many secret bases, tunnels, bunkers, and cutting edge research projects the Nazi's had going on around the world. Especially for a country of 30? million...
You could get black out drunk by having a shot every time they find a tunnel or bunker on that show. And to think of all the Jews & others they murdered...had they just utilized that labor force who knows what they would have done.
I think it's highly likely that he got out.
The Germans had a plan & back up plan for everything...making sure Hitler wasn't killed or captured? Yea...they had some plans for that.
You could get black out drunk by having a shot every time they find a tunnel or bunker on that show. And to think of all the Jews & others they murdered...had they just utilized that labor force who knows what they would have done.
I think it's highly likely that he got out.
The Germans had a plan & back up plan for everything...making sure Hitler wasn't killed or captured? Yea...they had some plans for that.
Berlin's population in 1939 was 4.4 million.
That is roughly the Detroit metropolitan area nowadays.
It was surrounded by 2.5 million Red Army soldiers.
Every one of them wanted to be the one to nail that bastard.
He took the easy way out. Conspiracies are fun but bad for your health.
That is roughly the Detroit metropolitan area nowadays.
It was surrounded by 2.5 million Red Army soldiers.
Every one of them wanted to be the one to nail that bastard.
He took the easy way out. Conspiracies are fun but bad for your health.
I do not know why people ascribe mythical powers of competence and shrewdness to a bunch of guys who were ultimately abominable racists and weird occultists.
Many of their leaders had mental health problems and/or huge drug addictions, too.
Plus, as @throwittoblythe notes, check the scoreboard.
Imperial German got much further towards winning than did fascist Germany.
Many of their leaders had mental health problems and/or huge drug addictions, too.
Plus, as @throwittoblythe notes, check the scoreboard.
Imperial German got much further towards winning than did fascist Germany.
And Hitler himself was in terrible health. He ended it.
In my opinion, the definitive history of Nazi Germany is The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, by journalist and author William Shirer. He wrote that Hitler killed himself and ordered his body to be burned. Shirer was a top European radio news correspondent during the 1930's who worked alongside Edward R. Murrow, and came to this conclusion after much research and interviews with those who claimed to have knowledge of the event.
Shirer grew up in Cedar Rapids and donated his articles, research and manuscript of the book to Coe College, his alma mater.
Shirer grew up in Cedar Rapids and donated his articles, research and manuscript of the book to Coe College, his alma mater.
Does anyone think that in 1945, that both the Soviet Empire and USA Emprie were going to win the war without showing the world the head of the snake? Of course history is written that Hitler committed suicide and that was it, it really could not have been written any other way, aside from maybe USA and Soviet military killing him in middle of street or hanging someone who looked just like Hitler. There was absolutely zero chance Hitler was coming out of Germany alive..Then end of the war and his death boosted USA and Soviet population morale to levels not seen since..
USA gov’t could have come out in 1947 and said that purple martians from Neptune were here and 100% of the population would have believed it.
USA gov’t could have come out in 1947 and said that purple martians from Neptune were here and 100% of the population would have believed it.
You mean this Martin Bormann? Found buried in Berlin with DNA to match. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/dna-test-closes-book-on-mystery-of-martin-bormann-1161449.html
The remains that were there had post 1950's dental work on it, had soil only native to South America, and once found, were thrown into the Black Sea.
That sounds familiar. What other most hunted guy recently had his body tossed in the ocean? I don't know but this was one conspiracy I just was never interested in researching. Interesting but meaningless either way.
