Demarion Watson

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The Presidents playing well, particularly just consistency with Jackson will mean we don't need as much from a Watson perspective on offense. If Watson is in the game with either of them, teams will likely start sending Watson's guy for a double and that's where you'll have wide open cuts for dunks from him.
 

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Respectfully, I do not see the Hogue comparison at all with Demarion. Dustin was a really good shooter (although his form looked weird). He made 50 3's in 2 seasons at 39%. He was a key starter/contributor (averaging close to 11pts and 7rbs per game over his career here), at honestly at times, was our most valuable player on the floor.

Demarion gave solid minutes night, and played way more than I thought he would. Like others here, I'm concerned with his severe lack of skill/offensive game (as this undoubtedly makes us easier to guard as a unit) but absolutely love his effort and athleticism, which of course helps offset some of his shortcomings.
Hogue wasn’t a shooter his first two seasons in college, shooting 29% on 8-27 as a sophomore. IHCC had basically a line change, full court style

He improved as he got older and more experienced. We needed his defense and rebounding, and that afforded him consistent minutes. And Hoiberg gave most guys enough of a green light for 2 attempts per game

I’m guessing Watson would be much closer to Hogue than he is now, had he gone juco and then joined a team that needed to play him
 

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Hogue was one of my favorite Cyclones from that era. He was rough around the edges and raw when he came in, by the time he left he was a Certifiable Dawg. Terrific on the boards and absolutely lethal from the corner 3 spot. I like Watson and I think he's a real positive moving forward in his niche, but he's not the player Hogue was. That's not a knock on Watson, it's a reflection of how good Hogue became at ISU.
 

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Hogue was one of my favorite Cyclones from that era. He was rough around the edges and raw when he came in, by the time he left he was a Certifiable Dawg. Terrific on the boards and absolutely lethal from the corner 3 spot. I like Watson and I think he's a real positive moving forward in his niche, but he's not the player Hogue was. That's not a knock on Watson, it's a reflection of how good Hogue became at ISU.
I loved watching Hogue play but he took a while to develop to get there. Because of the talent on last year's and this year's team, Watson hasn't gotten the same game time/opportunities and he will need this time too. His defense and rebounding was impressive last night. There were two or three times he got an offensive rebound and put a shot back up that I wish he would have kicked back out. That's what Hogue did early in his career. Instead, DW missed the putback (one time he got fouled and made 1 of 2 FT). At least that's what I remember. I'm glad he got in there and hope he can continue to grow/contribute over the next 5-6 weeks.
 
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I loved watching Hogue play but he took a while to develop to get there. Because of the talent on last year's and this year's team, Watson hasn't gotten the same game time/opportunities and he will need this time too. His defense and rebounding was impressive last night. There were two or three times he got an offensive rebound and put a shot back up that I wish he would have kicked back out. That's what Hogue did early in his career. Instead, DW missed the putback (one time he got fouled and made 1 of 2 FT). At least that's what I remember. I'm glad he got in there and hope he can continue to grow/contribute over the next 5-6 weeks.
That play was absolutely huge. It was a 5 point lead and Kansas was on a 7-0 run with 4:53 remaining in the game. We hadn’t scored in 2.5 minutes.

Jones missed a runner, but when Watson got that offensive rebound and was fouled, I let out a sigh of relief. He only made 1 of 2, but that extinguished Kansas’ last real run of the game
 

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That play was absolutely huge. It was a 5 point lead and Kansas was on a 7-0 run with 4:53 remaining in the game. We hadn’t scored in 2.5 minutes.

Jones missed a runner, but when Watson got that offensive rebound and was fouled, I let out a sigh of relief. He only made 1 of 2, but that extinguished Kansas’ last real run of the game
He had several clutch rebounds. He also erased a turn over with a block on the same play but on the other end of the court. I wish he would develop a handle and a shot but I'm not sure it's within his ability if he hasn't done those things yet in his career. Either way he's so good on defense I want him to get some bench minutes indefinitely.
 

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Hogue wasn’t a shooter his first two seasons in college, shooting 29% on 8-27 as a sophomore. IHCC had basically a line change, full court style

He improved as he got older and more experienced. We needed his defense and rebounding, and that afforded him consistent minutes. And Hoiberg gave most guys enough of a green light for 2 attempts per game

I’m guessing Watson would be much closer to Hogue than he is now, had he gone juco and then joined a team that needed to play him
Well yeah he improved throughout his career but he clearly was a very solid shooter in his 2 years here, more than just a garbage bucket getter. He didn’t just get “consistent minutes” - he was a key player, averaging ~10 and 7 and shooting nearly 40% from 3 (making 25 3’s his JR year and 25 again his SR year).

Respectfully, I don’t see any correlation between them and I don’t really see a “Hogue-like trajectory” for Watson had he gone JUCO. I think it’s perfectly fair to assess his development here in 2.5 years, and offensively he just can’t do much, and his offensive game hasn’t developed much. I don’t think there’s some alternate universe where he develops like Hogue and turns into a double figure scorer and good shooter. And that’s OK. He clearly has shown TJ in spurts he can make an impact on the defensive end.
 
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I hope Watson stays. He is long, tall and athletic. And he's tough.


I do as well but if he can transfer and get major minutes at a mid major I would totally be down for that. He would be really good in a Wayne Morgan type system. Get up and down the court
 

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We'll see, but I think it would take a big slump to go outside of huge minutes for the 7 guys and about 10 for Watson. It's possible, though.

I like Nojus. I think he got a lot better defensively and can make some plays off the bounce. But right now I think the emphasis is stealing minutes to keep Jefferson a little bit more fresh.

We know a lineup with Watson is going to be good on the defensive end, and hope that his activity on the glass can do enough to keep the offense from dipping too much. The problem that happened last year when he fell out of the rotation was that the offense was taking a hit too much and more missed shots/live ball turnovers on offense means more opportunities to score in transition and avoid ISUs wicked half-court defense.

But this years offense and shot-making is so much better that it can absorb a few minutes at a time. Between the rebounding, defense, and getting 10 minutes off the legs of some of the other guys, I think it will be tough to change from last night's plan, and Watson was absolutely value-added.

I don’t disagree, but if Curtis would have been just average Saturday instead of super human, that’s the spot we would have been in.
 

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Well yeah he improved throughout his career but he clearly was a very solid shooter in his 2 years here, more than just a garbage bucket getter. He didn’t just get “consistent minutes” - he was a key player, averaging ~10 and 7 and shooting nearly 40% from 3 (making 25 3’s his JR year and 25 again his SR year).

Respectfully, I don’t see any correlation between them and I don’t really see a “Hogue-like trajectory” for Watson had he gone JUCO. I think it’s perfectly fair to assess his development here in 2.5 years, and offensively he just can’t do much, and his offensive game hasn’t developed much. I don’t think there’s some alternate universe where he develops like Hogue and turns into a double figure scorer and good shooter. And that’s OK. He clearly has shown TJ in spurts he can make an impact on the defensive end.

The difference between Hogue and Watson on offense is like the difference between Jefferson and Big Rob.
 
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Can't remember if Hogue was a good jump shooter. He seemed to get a lot of garbage points, rebounds, steals, and he was maybe built better than Watson. You would think after thousands of hours of practice, there would be a certain shot that you can shoot with confidence. DW should at least work as a pick and roll guy and a weak side cutter.
Maybe DW needs to play with a tooth pick in his mouth;)
 

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Can't remember if Hogue was a good jump shooter. He seemed to get a lot of garbage points, rebounds, steals, and he was maybe built better than Watson. You would think after thousands of hours of practice, there would be a certain shot that you can shoot with confidence. DW should at least work as a pick and roll guy and a weak side cutter.

Junior year, no not a shooter.

Senior year shot a really good 3 pt %
 

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I was busy last night so didnt get to watch it. I just finished it. My take is he looked really good on D and rebounding, but he's obviously limited offensively and not a threat to shoot like Milan.

The good news is we have enough offensive firepower to make up for it.

In conclusion I'm not really concerned about him and this might actually make us a deeper and more experienced team when Milan returns.

We are all so glad you aren’t too concerned about him. I assume you had a sit down with TJ and staff to discuss strategies on how to best utilize his strengths while trying to keep him out of situations that may expose the weaknesses he has. JFC!! You are a tool!!
 
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