DB Nigel Tribune commits

[mikem]

I don't think Rhoads would get 4 or 5 years of sub-500 ball even if he is a hometown hero.

Sigh...Why on earth would people even make this statement? CPR is going to get all the time that he needs and probably more, because Iowa State was THE WORST BCS TEAM IN THE COUNTRY FIVE YEARS AGO..

Plus CPR will be here as long as it is economically prudent, regardless if he wins 5 games or 9 games. IF he doesn't get this turned around, and is stuck in the 3-6 win/year cycle, he will be sent packing IF people stop buying tickets, and the revenue stream is in danger of stopping.

Jesus, I know Creighton swallowed the bait, and took chewey off our hands, but he would have been here two years ago if they hadn't, because it made sense financially. Pollard figured that he could live with the disaster that season would have been, and 6500 people in the stands, tops, because it was better for the bottom line.

People reference mac the mediocre and how he was forced out. Well, JP sold a then record 30000 + season tickets for his last year, only to see his team roll over and quit. There was no way they would have sold close to that the next year. mac's contract while it was WAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY to much for all the clapping and pacing, not coaching, mac did here, was not so great that they couldn't afford to buy him out to try to pump any life into the program they could.

 

[temperflare]

4.73 40 for a CB?

No kidding. I saw his size and thought he must be fast as the wind. Disappointing. I hope it's a typo.

 

[zwclones51]

Quenton Bundrage, JaQuarius Daniels, Dondre Daley, Quan West. Don't you sorta like the potential of these young receivers.....

Real excited for Quan!

 

[DhaCheann]

Coach Rhoads coached Darrelle Revis and he's doing ok in the NFL and Coach Rhoads also turned LJ into one of the best corners ISU has had in recent years. You'd always see him at practice coaching LJ one on one on the little things and theres no doubt that he'll continue do the same with the other DB's on the team and Nigel when he steps foot on campus. He knows talent in DB's when he sees it

 

[ILiftWithRoyce]

you guys are all damned depressing...remind me not to go onto anymore football recruiting forums.

 

[mt85]

you guys are all damned depressing...remind me not to go onto anymore football recruiting forums.

Sad but true.

The whiners have taken over this site. They are like Japanese beetles. They are destroying what made this site enjoyable. They swarm together and contaminate threads with their negativity. It is too bad that the moderators allow them to continue their destruction.

 

[Rural]

I don't think anyone is suggesting we should be pulling all 3-4 stars. But I think it is troubling that we seem to be pulling guys whose only exposure is a video their cousin shot and threw up on their Hudl account. Maybe I am placing too much trust in the Rivals/Scouts/ESPN folks but I guess I don't think its too much to expect that the recruiting experts have at least heard of these kids. CPR is a professional and in his time here I've yet to find a reason to doubt him-- so we will see how it goes. I'm sure he knows what he is doing.

Maybe?

 

[longtimeclone]

Yay another recruit!

 

[mattyice]

Sad but true.

The whiners have taken over this site. They are like Japanese beetles. They are destroying what made this site enjoyable. They swarm together and contaminate threads with their negativity. It is too bad that the moderators allow them to continue their destruction.

You guys take yourselves and a MB waaaaayyy too seriously. Not everyone...just the SARJ contingent.

i think most of us are joking....im sure a few have grave concern, etc. but most of us are just kidding.

Its a message board...which last i looked...only about 2 people break actual news on here....that can easily be found on twitter when it breaks.

And its supposed to be fun....joking about a no star recruit is not bashing CPR...and my lord....even if we were bashing CPR (which NOBODY was)...is that not allowed? Or is it only happy shiny thoughts?

 

[Clonefan94]

By your logic, Texas should never lose.

And about the OSU game, yeah, winning that game and finally forcing a change in BCS rules absolutely should consider it one of the great upsets regardless of what the rest of the country thinks of Iowa State.

I give your posting skills no stars.

I give your reading skills the same.

I don't see how you inferred anything I said as having to do with Texas never losing a game. My post had nothing to do with saying recruits = wins. I'm talking about attracting recruits. At the end of the day, what's going to matter is ISU being on a somewhat level playing field for recruits. Right now we are not. Our football tradition is losing. If Texas has a 5 or 6 win season, it's horrible and everyone starts freaking out. If ISU has a 6 win season, we celebrate a great season. My point was it has nothing to do with this season, that season or any one season in particular, it's a matter of building a tradition that gets ISU noticed. Texas may have bad seasons, but over all, they are seen as a winner. ISU is not. As far as the OSU game goes, my point on that was, until it isn't considered a giant upset, we are not on the college football map. Being on that map is what attracts recruits.

Thanks for attacking me with the token "logic" post though. Kind of ironic considering I'm one of the few posters in this thread actually posting logical thoughts. Don't get ****** at me for actually interjecting some truth into the thread. Just because we've had what we perceive at ISU as a couple of successful seasons, don't think that translates into anyone outside of the ISU family. It might be illogical for you to hear, but the fact of the matter is, 6 wins isn't a "Good" season for teams getting 4 and 5 star recruits. It's not going to happen over night.

 

[Cyclophile1]

At first glance, this commit IS a little concerning. But, just reading the tea leaves, it looks like he transferred HS's and likely grew some and put on some weight. On top of that, we have three defensive coaches with major FL connections...they're not exactly going down there knocking on doors, they know people. Plus, Rhoads and Douglas have coached some top notch DBs. They know what they're looking for. If they were grabbing this kid in January, I'd be worried. But in July? Most of their top DB offers are still available. And if Tribune was a mid-major type player, he'd surely be around in December or January if ISU missed out on their top targets. IMO at this point, ISU does not accept commits just for depth or filling the class, they are getting guys they believe can be starters in the Big 12. And especially at DB, their judgement should be trusted.

Exactly. The guy is transferring to Raines and is going to blow up when half the SEC and ACC teams are looking at the Raines guys this fall and who they are playing night-in and night out down there. We're catching him early. Does anyone think CPR doesn't know what a Big12 quality DB looks like? Seriously? People must have forgotten what position group he coached most of his career. Everyone needs to just relax, have a Natty Light and just believe that this staff knows what they are doing.

Cheers

 

[State43]

Sad but true.

The whiners have taken over this site. They are like Japanese beetles. They are destroying what made this site enjoyable. They swarm together and contaminate threads with their negativity. It is too bad that the moderators allow them to continue their destruction.

Yeah, everyone should just put their cardinal and gold glasses on and clap for everything. Do not remove the glasses and take a look at reality. Look, it's obvious ISU will always have to get guys with lower ratings and hope to develop them into competitive players, but even I was expecting to pull a few more 3star talent, maybe even a couple of 4stars. Yes, stars don't really mean much, but they are rated for a reason.

 

[Cy Hard]

First off, Nigel welcome to the Cyclone family, you made a great choice.

Second, I wasn't going to bother posting in this thread due to the (enter you expletive here), but I no longer post near as much I have in the past due to threads like this getting run amok by negative posters. If these posters can't access a bevy of information on a kid immediately it's a constant laundry list of tired complaints about the coach or program that goes back well further than this site. I originally signed up specifically to try and get more information on incoming recruits, no I cringe at what I might expect to see everytime I open a "this recruit" commits thread. Remember back in the day, when we as posters sought out the information ourselves and tried to share said information with one another what we found?!

But keep on ******** guys, this close to Independence Day I don't want to infringe on any rights!

 

[PabloDiablo]

Another thing that may help you feel better, who was on his team as a senior last year, I havnt looked to see what the school produced last year, so im curious. Raines is a talent loaded school maybe he played behind somebody good? Maybe all of a sudden he is developing into a man, maybe he needs his senior year to come into his own, I have seen a lot of kids in HS mature from their junior and senior years and are a totally different player. IMO the coaches see something in this kid thats why he is on board now.

So I checked it out a little. He transferred from Jackson High, who has put out exactly zero division 1 recruits in the last 3 years, to Raines High who has sent a LB to Cincy and Tenn last year, a DB to UNC (probably a Douglas recruit) and DT to Illinois in 2011, and a DT to Notre Dame and a WR to UNC (again probably a Douglas recruit) in 2010.

Rivals has had no reason to visit his previous high school (Jackson high) to evaluate their kids and has yet to see him play for Raines, which regularly puts out BCS level talent. My gut feeling is the kid ends up a 3* after he gets evaluated.

Douglas has got his finger on the pulse of the Atlantic side of Florida and making some connections for ISU at Raines will continue to be very beneficial to us.

 

[mattyice]

First off, Nigel welcome to the Cyclone family, you made a great choice.

Second, I wasn't going to bother posting in this thread due to the (enter you expletive here), but I no longer post near as much I have in the past due to threads like this getting run amok by negative posters. If these posters can't access a bevy of information on a kid immediately it's a constant laundry list of tired complaints about the coach or program that goes back well further than this site. I originally signed up specifically to try and get more information on incoming recruits, no I cringe at what I might expect to see everytime I open a "this recruit" commits thread. Remember back in the day, when we as posters sought out the information ourselves and tried to share said information with one another what we found?!

But keep on ******** guys, this close to Independence Day I don't want to infringe on any rights!

So we shouldnt expect or desire kids that have 3, 4 or 5 stars? And cannot in any fashion even ask the question of why we are not getting them?

Please find the post that bashes CPR.....ill wait. Also find the one that bashes the staff recruiting kids.....ill wait longer.

NOBODY was bashing them.....the "negative" posters some of you keep crying about were either A) Just having some fun and joking about how we are going after non football players next ,etc or B) legitimately asking why we are not getting some of those guys......which....is a valid concern....expressed by many on here. It wasnt bashing...it was asking a question......or....is that not allowed here?

 

[Clonefan32]

I think many of you are misstating what some of us are saying. I don't hope the kid fails, I don't think CPR doesn't know what he's doing, or anything of the like. All I am saying is that it is a strange position to be in when your first reaction to nearly every commit we have has been "Who?" I get it that CPR is a great talent evaluator, but you don't think other coaches have laid eyes on this guy? You think CPR and crew are the only ones who recruit this high school? That part of the state? The more reasonable explanation is that other schools have seen him and passed. Again, though, I trust CPR and if he sees something in the kid then great, but you have to admit it is a bit unconventional to have the majority of a class (so far) be kids who recruiting services and apparently other teams are unaware of or have seen and passed on.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I think many of you are misstating what some of us are saying. I don't hope the kid fails, I don't think CPR doesn't know what he's doing, or anything of the like. All I am saying is that it is a strange position to be in when your first reaction to nearly every commit we have has been "Who?" I get it that CPR is a great talent evaluator, but you don't think other coaches have laid eyes on this guy? You think CPR and crew are the only ones who recruit this high school? That part of the state? The more reasonable explanation is that other schools have seen him and passed. Again, though, I trust CPR and if he sees something in the kid then great, but you have to admit it is a bit unconventional to have the majority of a class (so far) be kids who recruiting services and apparently other teams are unaware of or have seen and passed on.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that we aren't just taking anyone at DB, especially corner when we have taken 4 guys at corner in the last two years who we have high hopes for. That's just a guess though.

 

[ElephantPie]

Well, in scrimmages we'll soon be able to see some Daley-Tribune action...

Just. Hadda. Doit! :twitcy:

"Must spread rep..."

 

[acgclone]

I think many of you are misstating what some of us are saying. I don't hope the kid fails, I don't think CPR doesn't know what he's doing, or anything of the like. All I am saying is that it is a strange position to be in when your first reaction to nearly every commit we have has been "Who?" I get it that CPR is a great talent evaluator, but you don't think other coaches have laid eyes on this guy? You think CPR and crew are the only ones who recruit this high school? That part of the state? The more reasonable explanation is that other schools have seen him and passed. Again, though, I trust CPR and if he sees something in the kid then great, but you have to admit it is a bit unconventional to have the majority of a class (so far) be kids who recruiting services and apparently other teams are unaware of or have seen and passed on.

It is a little concerning to me at least. I'm certainly not saying Rhoads is under the gun or anything stupid like that. He is a very good coach, IMO and in fact, I'm pretty Ok with roughly .500 type seasons as the norm.

I guess he just raised my expectations a little and I was hopeful that he could start to get some better kids in.

I have no doubt that he'll continue to find some diamonds in the rough and get our team to perform as well as can be expected.

My only issue is that I think until you start to get some better overall talent, that there really isn't much upside potential from where we've finished (roughly .500).

 

[Cyclophile1]

I think many of you are misstating what some of us are saying. I don't hope the kid fails, I don't think CPR doesn't know what he's doing, or anything of the like. All I am saying is that it is a strange position to be in when your first reaction to nearly every commit we have has been "Who?" I get it that CPR is a great talent evaluator, but you don't think other coaches have laid eyes on this guy? You think CPR and crew are the only ones who recruit this high school? That part of the state? The more reasonable explanation is that other schools have seen him and passed. Again, though, I trust CPR and if he sees something in the kid then great, but you have to admit it is a bit unconventional to have the majority of a class (so far) be kids who recruiting services and apparently other teams are unaware of or have seen and passed on.

The unconventional part is that they are from Florida and California rather than Iowa. If we were getting five or six commits within a couple of weeks of our summer camps under Danny Mac and they were all from various small towns in Iowa, no one would be batting an eye. I think it's just hard to believe that there are these under the radar guys down in recruiting hotbeds and that we are the ones finding them. This is staff has earned the benefits of a couple of dozen doubts, so I'm not going to throw stones.

I honestly think they are building a base and then will focus a bunch of their resources later in the season on the 10-12 spots they have left on some highly ranked guys. I appreciate the heck out of Mac and all he did to help ISU, but I think we've all been conditioned by years under Mac to think a certain way about ISU football and recruiting as a part of that - it's clear CPR is not following Mac's example in this as well as a number of things. And that's a GOOD thing, by and large.

Cheers