Can Iowa stop the spread?

Two of those passes were also tipped balls, which could have just as easily fallen to the turf instead. Instead, they literally went right to where Sash was standing.


They went where Sash was standing because he was where he was suppose to be on the field. Do not make it sound like they were gifts , they were not. He was where he was on purpose not by luck.
 
They went where Sash was standing because he was where he was suppose to be on the field. Do not make it sound like they were gifts , they were not. He was where he was on purpose not by luck.

I'm sorry, but any safety who wasn't in position to pick off those tipped passes doesn't belong on a D1 football field. Stop trying to pretend that they were great plays by the defense. They were QB mistakes all the way.
 
Very good analysis. The key to finishing drives with touchdowns might be to take a shot at a big play after getting inside the 40. Hopefully Herman has a couple of plays designed just for this situation.

We did that three times last year and they equated to three INTs. One from their 40, 32,and 33. How about we actually get to the red zone this year. Then since we have a pretty good red zone offense9 we score some points. Iowa didn't have that great of a red zone defense last year. They were actually ranked 75th.

Beating iowa's defense is really easy. STAY PATIENT! Take what they give you and don't get greedy. When you get greedy, they win! It is that simple. Northwestern understands that and nobody else.
 
I'm sorry, but any safety who wasn't in position to pick off those tipped passes doesn't belong on a D1 football field. Stop trying to pretend that they were great plays by the defense. They were QB mistakes all the way.
This is exactly what Iowa does. They are int he right place at the right time and they make plays when you screw up. It is the same evey year and every game. They are well coached on defense and very, very disicplined. They force you to get impatient and make mistakes. Our QB and OC got impatient and made mistakes last year.
 
They went where Sash was standing because he was where he was suppose to be on the field. Do not make it sound like they were gifts , they were not. He was where he was on purpose not by luck.

The balls were thrown at just the perfect velocity and angle, and then batted at just the perfect velocity and angle, to hit Sash directly in the numbers while he didn't even have to take a step. A slight change to the velocity, angle of attack, or point of impact makes it an incomplete pass rather than an INT. Yes, sometimes football is luck. Sash was certainly playing in position - he was lucky that the ball was deflected to him rather than out of reach. I never said he was out of position. Does the Iowa D-Coordinator tell the safety's to line up where the ball will be deflected to them? No, he tells them to go to a point on the field or a position relative to the other players. By chance, that happened to be exactly where the ball went after being deflected.

There is a large amount of luck in football.
 
That's pretty much Iowa football...

This is exactly what Iowa does. They are int he right place at the right time and they make plays when you screw up. It is the same evey year and every game. They are well coached on defense and very, very disicplined. They force you to get impatient and make mistakes. Our QB and OC got impatient and made mistakes last year.

Be in the right place and play fast/aggressive if you have an opportunity to make a play.
 
We did that three times last year and they equated to three INTs. One from their 40, 32,and 33. How about we actually get to the red zone this year. Then since we have a pretty good red zone offense9 we score some points. Iowa didn't have that great of a red zone defense last year. They were actually ranked 75th.

Beating iowa's defense is really easy. STAY PATIENT! Take what they give you and don't get greedy. When you get greedy, they win! It is that simple. Northwestern understands that and nobody else.

Northwestern also understands that you should take out the main offensive weapon, and hold out for some last minute luck... damn Cardiac Cats! WE WILL HAVE OUR REEEEVVEEEENNNGGGEE!!!!!

But seriously though.... you really do have to be patient. Try to do to much, and you risk turning the ball over.
 
Iowa has in the past struggled vs the spread. That is what makes me optimistic for this game. They also lean heavily on their line backers to make plays covering the short to intermediate routes and even some of their more experienced LB units have struggled doing that vs a spread offense. Their linebackers this year are a lot less experienced vs. past years so that may help. I could see them switching to more of a 4-2-5 though since their secondary seems to have more reliable depth and they know we will throw a lot of receivers at them.

The problem last year was Arnaud was constantly throwing deep and getting picked. In the spread we generally want to just be tossing quick slants and digs and bubble screens and only throw deep if someone gets behind the secondary. AA was throwing like we were running a vertical stretch offense. To be fair, I think a lot of this was Iowa baiting him into it. It was also game 2 in a new complicated offense.

The other thing I have seen Iowa struggle with is a good running QB. The delayed QB draw up the middle and option read qb runs have hurt them in the past.

The two things I don't like about this match-up: Their D-line. We pretty well negated them last year but they are very good. Pressuring the QB or stopping the run with your DLine alone can destroy a timing offense. Also we had a tough opponent week 1 (which is generally good) but it means we had to spend nearly all our time preparing for them. Iowa had EIU, who they only needed probably a single day to worry about. They probably have been able to put a lot of prep time in for us.

I expect a close game either way as long as Arnaud is patient and disciplined.

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The balls were thrown at just the perfect velocity and angle, and then batted at just the perfect velocity and angle, to hit Sash directly in the numbers while he didn't even have to take a step. A slight change to the velocity, angle of attack, or point of impact makes it an incomplete pass rather than an INT. Yes, sometimes football is luck. Sash was certainly playing in position - he was lucky that the ball was deflected to him rather than out of reach. I never said he was out of position. Does the Iowa D-Coordinator tell the safety's to line up where the ball will be deflected to them? No, he tells them to go to a point on the field or a position relative to the other players. By chance, that happened to be exactly where the ball went after being deflected.

There is a large amount of luck in football.
Well, when the player is converging on a receiver and the ball is tipped, nine times out of ten, he will be in the vicinity of the tipped ball and can make a play.
Examples
ISU vs Nebraska 2009- Jess smith deflected two maybe three passes across the middle that were then intercepted by our safeties
ISU vs NIU 2010- NIU LB tips a poorly thrown ball and their safety intercepts it.
Iowa vs ISU 2009- enough said.

You act like when a LB tips a pass across the middle it most likely falls to the ground. It doesn't. It is usually picked. Now, I am not saying Greenwood or Sash made great plays. They didn't. The LBs made good plays tipping the ball. some of those were good plays by the LBs others were bad decisions from AA. In every instance, iowa was in position to take advantage of mistakes. It is what they do and it is what they do every game. They bait you into stupid mistakes.
 
The balls were thrown at just the perfect velocity and angle, and then batted at just the perfect velocity and angle, to hit Sash directly in the numbers while he didn't even have to take a step. A slight change to the velocity, angle of attack, or point of impact makes it an incomplete pass rather than an INT. Yes, sometimes football is luck. Sash was certainly playing in position - he was lucky that the ball was deflected to him rather than out of reach. I never said he was out of position. Does the Iowa D-Coordinator tell the safety's to line up where the ball will be deflected to them? No, he tells them to go to a point on the field or a position relative to the other players. By chance, that happened to be exactly where the ball went after being deflected.

There is a large amount of luck in football.

I know you want to pretend that Sash had three interceptions wildly deflected right to him. You're wrong. This first was tipped by Angerer and was getting picked by Sash either way. The only luck involved was that Angerer didn't mess up the int for Sash by lightly tipping the ball. The second was tipped away from Sash and he broke on it to make the int just before it hit the ground. The third wasn't tipped.
 
Come on guys really? Some of you talk as if our offense is led by Drew Bree's and company. Have we improved - yes i think we have. But not to the point where we roll right through one of the better D's in the country and talk as if our spread offense is "unstoppable".
 
Northwestern also understands that you should take out the main offensive weapon, and hold out for some last minute luck... damn Cardiac Cats! WE WILL HAVE OUR REEEEVVEEEENNNGGGEE!!!!!

But seriously though.... you really do have to be patient. Try to do to much, and you risk turning the ball over.
4-1 over the last 5 years is not luck. Give NW some credit. They stay patient and take advantage when iowa allows. They win the same way iowa does. close games by staying patient.
 
Iowa has in the past struggled vs the spread. That is what makes me optimistic for this game. They also lean heavily on their line backers to make plays covering the short to intermediate routes and even some of their more experienced LB units have struggled doing that vs a spread offense. Their linebackers this year are a lot less experienced vs. past years so that may help. I could see them switching to more of a 4-2-5 though since their secondary seems to have more reliable depth and they know we will throw a lot of receivers at them.

The problem last year was Arnaud was constantly throwing deep and getting picked. In the spread we generally want to just be tossing quick slants and digs and bubble screens and only throw deep if someone gets behind the secondary. AA was throwing like we were running a vertical stretch offense. To be fair, I think a lot of this was Iowa baiting him into it. It was also game 2 in a new complicated offense.

The other thing I have seen Iowa struggle with is a good running QB. The delayed QB draw up the middle and option read qb runs have hurt them in the past.

The two things I don't like about this match-up: Their D-line. We pretty well negated them last year but they are very good. Pressuring the QB or stopping the run with your DLine alone can destroy a timing offense. Also we had a tough opponent week 1 (which is generally good) but it means we had to spend nearly all our time preparing for them. Iowa had EIU, who they only needed probably a single day to worry about. They probably have been able to put a lot of prep time in for us.

I expect a close game either way as long as Arnaud is patient and disciplined.
I agree with most of what you said. As for your conerns
  1. The short passing game can negate that pressure from the DL. iowa can and will drop the DE's back into coverage and this opens up the run game or atleast makes them hesitant. I worry more about their DBs bumping at the line but if Prater is still out, I am not sure they are as confident in Castillo and Hyde to do this.
  2. We had two extra days to prepare due to the Thursday night game.
 
I think the short passing game might soften things up enough for A-Rob to get some yards after a little time.

Aargh, beat me to it Taz.
 
Come on guys really? Some of you talk as if our offense is led by Drew Bree's and company. Have we improved - yes i think we have. But not to the point where we roll right through one of the better D's in the country and talk as if our spread offense is "unstoppable".
Nobody is saying it WILL happen. People are saying it COULD. big difference and our offense will have to improve to get it done
 
I know you want to pretend that Sash had three interceptions wildly deflected right to him. Not what I'm saying.

This first was tipped by Angerer and was getting picked by Sash either way. The only luck involved was that Angerer didn't mess up the int for Sash by lightly tipping the ball. So we both agree that a little luck was involved here...

The second was tipped away from Sash and he broke on it to make the int just before it hit the ground. And he's lucky it wasn't tipped just past his reach.

Geez, I'm not saying the guy was out of position or is a poor player. Sash is a great player and obviously works his *** off to put himself in a position to create some luck. Want another example? Jesse Smith was lucky that Zach Lee didn't put a little more air under that final pass that sealed the ISU win over Nebraska. ISU was lucky to recover nearly all of Nebraska's fumbles that day - once the ball is on the ground, it's roughly 50/50 as to which team gets the ball. Feel better? Cripes, don't take things so personally.
 
We did that three times last year and they equated to three INTs. One from their 40, 32,and 33. How about we actually get to the red zone this year. Then since we have a pretty good red zone offense9 we score some points. Iowa didn't have that great of a red zone defense last year. They were actually ranked 75th.

Beating iowa's defense is really easy. STAY PATIENT! Take what they give you and don't get greedy. When you get greedy, they win! It is that simple. Northwestern understands that and nobody else.

Iowa actually had a pretty good redzone defense, if you take a closer look at the numbers. They allowed 29 trips into the redzone. Opponents scored 24 times (83%). However, 10 of those scores were field goals (42% of all redzone scores allowed). For comparison, look at ISU's redzone defense (which finished #2): 48 trips, 32 scores. 27 of those scores were TD's (84% of all redzone scores allowed). I'll take a redzone defense that allows scores 83% of the time if they're forcing a lot of field goals over a redzone defense that allows scores just 67% of the time, but gives up a lot of TD's.

Now, back to Arnaud. I'm not sure if he really struggles with the short passes per se, but he has seemed reluctant to stay patient. He can move the offense if he stays patient, but too often he gets antsy and wants to make the BIG play. That's when he gets into trouble. I'm not sure if he's the right QB to beat Iowa. Up to this point, he's just not been patient enough.
 
4-1 over the last 5 years is not luck. Give NW some credit. They stay patient and take advantage when iowa allows. They win the same way iowa does. close games by staying patient.

He wasn't referring to the past 5 years (they've beaten us fair and square). The last minute luck he was referring to in last year's game was the phantom holding call that brought back Wegher's long TD run in the 4th quarter.
 
This game will complete come down to Arnaud. He was the reason for the loss last year, he knows it. can he become the reason for the win this year?

I really like Arnaud, seems like a really great kid. But are you sure that you would want him to know he was the reason for last year's loss? He's always seemed to come into the Iowa game a little TOO hyped to begin with. A desperate desire to redeem himself could be counter-productive. If I'm Rhoads, I'm definitely making sure to drill it into Arnaud's head that last year wasn't his fault, and that the only way to make things right is to STAY PATIENT.
 

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