Caitlyn Jenner

[klamath632]

Suicide rates for transgendered folks are much, much higher than both the general population and lesbian/gay/bisexual populations. Why is that? Not sure (and the specific study that looked at it notes more research is needed). But it's a fact.

http://www.speakingofsuicide.com/2015/01/02/transgender-suicide/

Might have something to do with the treatment they receive from the public at large. Could it be that the day you realize that something is not quite right, and begin to do something about it, that being mistreated by everyone around you could lead to depression?

Naw, that's not logical in the least. Keep believing it's because they're bad people, and that they deserve to kill themselves.

 

[bringmagicback]

why does everyone have an opinion? How does it effect any of you? who cares.

 

[CtownCyclone]

Might have something to do with the treatment they receive from the public at large. Could it be that the day you realize that something is not quite right, and begin to do something about it, that being mistreated by everyone around you could lead to depression?

Naw, that's not logical in the least. Keep believing it's because they're bad people, and that they deserve to kill themselves.

Where did I say they were bad people and that they deserve to kill themselves? Suicide was brought up, and I used Google to find some facts.

 

[ExCyment]

Intolerance doesn't just mean that you aren't hiring or acting based off of prejudices and beliefs; it also means that you are unwilling to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from your own. Your first example is not only an example of intolerance, it's an example of discrimination. Your second example isn't really germane, as polygamy is illegal. If you used the example, "if on the other hand you just don't believe a man should be gay/black/old," it would be more in line with what we're discussing.

Yes, I am intolerant of intolerance. That's absolutely the case. I support your right to think and say it, as that is part of what makes America great - but I also think it makes people who feel that way look disgusting and uneducated.

The other thing that really gets to me is when people try to use Christianity to defend their being judgmental (which is not what you're doing here, but an aside). I say that as a Christian.

Ahhh the classic I'm tolerant of everything I agree is ok, but I'm intolerant of what I consider intolerant. The people I know who claim to be tolerant and nonjudgmental are some of the most intolerant and judgmental people I know. They just judge different groups of people.

 

[cyhiphopp]

Ahhh the classic I'm tolerant of everything I agree is ok, but I'm intolerant of what I consider intolerant. The people I know who claim to be tolerant and nonjudgmental are some of the most intolerant and judgmental people I know. They just judge different groups of people.

People often fear what they don't understand. And it's pretty much impossible to understand this kind of situation unless you've gone through it yourself.

 

[Mr Janny]

People often fear what they don't understand. And it's pretty much impossible to understand this kind of situation unless you've gone through it yourself.

I agree with this. I don't understand this situation with Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner at all. It's alien to me. I don't know that I fear it, but it's something that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around, as it's nothing I've ever had exposure to. Out of the general respect that I hold for all people*, my first reaction is live and let live, but I'm also not going to pretend that if I were to suddenly have a face to face conversation with Caitlyn Jenner, it wouldn't be an awkward one.


*except Bos

 

[CtownCyclone]

I agree with this. I don't understand this situation with Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner at all. It's alien to me. I don't know that I fear it, but it's something that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around, as it's nothing I've ever had exposure to. Out of the general respect that I hold for all people*, my first reaction is live and let live, but I'm also not going to pretend that if I were to suddenly have a face to face conversation with Caitlyn Jenner, it wouldn't be an awkward one.


*except Bos

I have worked with someone who started out as a "Don" and became a "Donna". Now I never knew "Don", but there were enough things with "Donna" that led me to figure it out.

I didn't have a problem with her, and I don't think too many other people did either.

Now the Bruce/Caitlyn thing would probably be much different to me because we all knew Bruce first.

 

[cyhiphopp]

I agree with this. I don't understand this situation with Bruce/Caitlyn Jenner at all. It's alien to me. I don't know that I fear it, but it's something that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around, as it's nothing I've ever had exposure to. Out of the general respect that I hold for all people*, my first reaction is live and let live, but I'm also not going to pretend that if I were to suddenly have a face to face conversation with Caitlyn Jenner, it wouldn't be an awkward one.


*except Bos

Yep.

You don't have to understand it, or be 100% comfortable with it, to accept it and not act like a tool.


Oh, and **** bos. (Just kidding, we're cool)

 

[Angie]

Ahhh the classic I'm tolerant of everything I agree is ok, but I'm intolerant of what I consider intolerant. The people I know who claim to be tolerant and nonjudgmental are some of the most intolerant and judgmental people I know. They just judge different groups of people.

I don't think there's a whole lot of "what I consider intolerant." Just look up the definition. "Unwillingness to accept views, beliefs, or behavior that differ from one's own." That's pretty cut-and-dried. I'm intolerant of two things: law-breaking and of people who are intolerant of others, I've got no problem declaring either one (in fact, I already have, if you'd read the thread). I absolutely and positively judge those who "are unwilling to accept" people for things out of their control, for their legal life choices, for anything of the sort. If someone wants to judge me for that, that is also their right. We have freedom of speech in the USA, even if that speech makes us look like uneducated bigots.

There is a difference between being un-accepting and not understanding something. It is one thing to look down on and make jokes of someone with, say, a club foot. It is another to not really understand what it's like, to maybe even be uncomfortable with it personally. Your actions and acceptance are the difference.

 

[klamath632]

Where did I say they were bad people and that they deserve to kill themselves? Suicide was brought up, and I used Google to find some facts.

Sorry I painted you with the brush. It's a mindset that is out there. Glad you don't believe it yourself. And thanks for taking the time to do the research. It's more than most people do.

 

[NickTheGreat]

Ahhh the classic I'm tolerant of everything I agree is ok, but I'm intolerant of what I consider intolerant. The people I know who claim to be tolerant and nonjudgmental are some of the most intolerant and judgmental people I know. They just judge different groups of people.

You're allowed to be open-minded and have your own thoughts, provided that your thoughts are in line with what they're supposed to be.

Kinda the Henry Ford thing. You can get your car in any color as long as it's black

 

[Tre4ISU]

Might have something to do with the treatment they receive from the public at large. Could it be that the day you realize that something is not quite right, and begin to do something about it, that being mistreated by everyone around you could lead to depression?

Naw, that's not logical in the least. Keep believing it's because they're bad people, and that they deserve to kill themselves.

That definitely has something to do with it but I would think they are also naturally uncomfortable all of the time not solely based on how they are treated.

 

[roundball]

I've been in some Twitter drama the past couple days with my stance on the issue and once again the most annoying thing to hear is that I'm so close minded on the issue. Just because I disagree with his life choices does not make me close minded or intolerant. I would make some further points but I don't think this thread needs to go to the cave

What do you mean by you "disagree" with his (sic) decision? Does that mean you personally would never change your gender? Or that you don't think he should have, or shouldn't be able to? If the former, great...nobody cares. If it's the latter, then I'd ask why you feel that way.

 

[jdoggivjc]

Apparently some restaurant in Canada posted this:

(laces out)