Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
You forgot the moral purists who condemn college students having sex.
You forgot the moral purists who condemn college students having sex.
Bubu Thread
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Re: Register Exclusive: ISU asks Supreme Court to keep Palo off men's basketball team
I don't see any problem with a student (citizen) of a public university using the court system to guarantee that their public university is treating them fairly and justly as enforceable under our civil code of law, as well as defined by previous pertinent rulings on similar cases of precedent. Furthermore, I wouldn't even agree that a private institution like Baylor should be treated any differently UNDER THE LAW in similar instances.
We've heard a lot in recent years about the rights of Institutions as opposed to the rights of Individuals. Personally, if an institution should be allowed to benefit with regard to things like taxes by receiving tax breaks that are not made available to individual citizens, while at the same time having the institution's "free speech" rights protected (as though they were also individual citizens) by governmental action like ending Net Neutrality or allowing corporations to make unlimited and anonymous campaign donations.
In some ways, it seems like now more than ever this idea that institutions (wall street, corporations, universities, banks [lenders]) should ALWAYS be allowed to benefit from a double standard of "rights" at the expense of the individual has permeated our society. Institutions are obviously good things. This must mean institutions are always good and always right. Therefore, in this country, they obviously deserve special protections. People seem to either honestly believe this or have become complicit in it. We now have a society defined just as much, if not more so, by institutions rather than people. We have forgotten that any good nation, not only this one, is a nation made of good people, not of self-righteous Juggernaut Institutions that should always be found right by the powers that be...always...ALWAAAAYS...!
I don't necessarily claim a conviction one way or another with regard to Bubu's guilt (other than based on what the courts have provided, evidence suggests that he's probably not guilty, at least of anything criminal). Other than that, no one can be completely sure what's going on here. But I FULLY support Bubu, or any other citizen, using a free court sponsored by THE PEOPLE to hold institutions accountable to the same standards of treatment that would be expected out of individuals (THE PEOPLE) with regard to matters involving an institution's official dealings with a member individual (this goes for university presidents and athletic departments as well).
I don't see any problem with a student (citizen) of a public university using the court system to guarantee that their public university is treating them fairly and justly as enforceable under our civil code of law, as well as defined by previous pertinent rulings on similar cases of precedent. Furthermore, I wouldn't even agree that a private institution like Baylor should be treated any differently UNDER THE LAW in similar instances.
We've heard a lot in recent years about the rights of Institutions as opposed to the rights of Individuals. Personally, if an institution should be allowed to benefit with regard to things like taxes by receiving tax breaks that are not made available to individual citizens, while at the same time having the institution's "free speech" rights protected (as though they were also individual citizens) by governmental action like ending Net Neutrality or allowing corporations to make unlimited and anonymous campaign donations.
In some ways, it seems like now more than ever this idea that institutions (wall street, corporations, universities, banks [lenders]) should ALWAYS be allowed to benefit from a double standard of "rights" at the expense of the individual has permeated our society. Institutions are obviously good things. This must mean institutions are always good and always right. Therefore, in this country, they obviously deserve special protections. People seem to either honestly believe this or have become complicit in it. We now have a society defined just as much, if not more so, by institutions rather than people. We have forgotten that any good nation, not only this one, is a nation made of good people, not of self-righteous Juggernaut Institutions that should always be found right by the powers that be...always...ALWAAAAYS...!
I don't necessarily claim a conviction one way or another with regard to Bubu's guilt (other than based on what the courts have provided, evidence suggests that he's probably not guilty, at least of anything criminal). Other than that, no one can be completely sure what's going on here. But I FULLY support Bubu, or any other citizen, using a free court sponsored by THE PEOPLE to hold institutions accountable to the same standards of treatment that would be expected out of individuals (THE PEOPLE) with regard to matters involving an institution's official dealings with a member individual (this goes for university presidents and athletic departments as well).
I hope one of the defense lawyers chime in here as they would be mor versed. There have been at least a few cases I can recall of incapacity due to intoxication. One involved a UI student. Iirc there was witnesses of her state and she did not even recall the encounter but witnesses saw him assist her into a room. There is a pdf online that was created for prosecutors in how to determine drunken sex vs. Incapacitated rape attached is a screen shot of a relevant page. Unlike driving their is no magic bar but there must be evidence of the level of intoxication and many factors to consider, interestingly enough they list two factors to consider that would demonstrate they had capacity one of which we know she did:
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Yeah... Guys never brag to their friends about the chicks they have nailed. Right..... :spinny:
Some of them just write books about it...
Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
Yeah... nothing will help this team regain their focus and play well then bringing the Bubu distraction to the games with chants and booing Leath. Smart... real smart. :twitcy:
Yeah... nothing will help this team regain their focus and play well then bringing the Bubu distraction to the games with chants and booing Leath. Smart... real smart. :twitcy:
Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
The problem is JP made it personal with his ill advised statement about BuBu and the district judge. To recruiters from other schools, it's going to be ISU's athletic director against innocent basketball player BuBu Palo. Not a stretch to believe that will hurt Fred's recruiting, and could spill into football as well. Leath and Pollard need to get this case settled asap and get it behind us.
The problem is JP made it personal with his ill advised statement about BuBu and the district judge. To recruiters from other schools, it's going to be ISU's athletic director against innocent basketball player BuBu Palo. Not a stretch to believe that will hurt Fred's recruiting, and could spill into football as well. Leath and Pollard need to get this case settled asap and get it behind us.
Iowa State, the BOR and the AG need to just end this now. Let the season play out. Nothing to gain here. Nothing.
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Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
Uncertain to say the least. BuBu isn't a top tier player and getting anybody to take BuBu after he had been kicked off by the ISU president for sexual misconduct was a longshot to begin with. The longer Leath delayed his decision, the possibility of transfer became more and more remote, and it would be very easy for an attorney to show that. By the time Leath did make his decision, BuBu's chances of transferring and playing again were almost nil, and chances of a scholarship zero. He at least still had his scholarship at ISU.
Uncertain to say the least. BuBu isn't a top tier player and getting anybody to take BuBu after he had been kicked off by the ISU president for sexual misconduct was a longshot to begin with. The longer Leath delayed his decision, the possibility of transfer became more and more remote, and it would be very easy for an attorney to show that. By the time Leath did make his decision, BuBu's chances of transferring and playing again were almost nil, and chances of a scholarship zero. He at least still had his scholarship at ISU.
I'm a little surprised they didn't hear it honestly. Not necessarily related to the facts of the case but because of the precedent the lower court ruling could set.
edit: I suppose that could be why they rejected the case, because they didn't want to set a precedent one way or another. The US Supreme Court does that all the time, albeit with far bigger issues.
The Iowa Supreme Court ruling (to not hear arguments that the district court judge's stay that returned Bubu to the team should be overruled) basically ensures Bubu will remain on the team until the end of the year, I don't believe the district court was to hear his case until April sometime.
Leath, Pollard, Fred, Bubu, the team, and CF need to deal with that reality in whatever way they need to and just chill out.
Leath, Pollard, Fred, Bubu, the team, and CF need to deal with that reality in whatever way they need to and just chill out.
There's still a final ruling (the ruling allowing him to play was just a stay on leath's ruling pending the actual ruling by the district court) but who knows what the timeline on that is.
Now will be interesting to see if Bubu sees the floor or if he stays on the bench all day vs KSU... and what degree of that is performance vs pressure from above.
Is there really much of a precedent though? As noted elsewhere student conduct code references that any ruling can be appealed to the court. I dont see that being done here as a precedent setting matter when its referenced in ISU's own code.
what's the point of ISU even fighting the case if it's not heard until April? I can see why Bubu would keep fighting it but it really doesn't make any sense for ISU to.
To have him removed from the team in the interim, instead of on the team waiting it out.
Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...
Go back and look at this board and the thread about the bubu case when it came out. The board was overwhelmingly piling on Bubu (myself included) and the couple people that defended Bubu were chastised by all. Because of the information now known the fan base has flipped in favor of preserving the idea of justice and fairness. Now the couple people that don't care if Bubu is treated fairly are being chastised with good reason. I think you are having trouble disconnecting your own moral beliefs and the CoC and law. Nobody is asking for gladhanding wow. Your view is seriously distorted. Supreme court, district court, ALJ, prosecutors all a bunch of glad handers while Leath is standing up for Justice! Give me a break.
Go back and look at this board and the thread about the bubu case when it came out. The board was overwhelmingly piling on Bubu (myself included) and the couple people that defended Bubu were chastised by all. Because of the information now known the fan base has flipped in favor of preserving the idea of justice and fairness. Now the couple people that don't care if Bubu is treated fairly are being chastised with good reason. I think you are having trouble disconnecting your own moral beliefs and the CoC and law. Nobody is asking for gladhanding wow. Your view is seriously distorted. Supreme court, district court, ALJ, prosecutors all a bunch of glad handers while Leath is standing up for Justice! Give me a break.
