Bubu Thread

[Judoka]

No missouri swept it under the rug and this Girl was violently gang raped and there are witnesses that have seen video evidence of that and yet the university has done nothing. At ISU the evidence suggests the charge was unfounded and the accuser fabricated evidence and provided knowingly false testimony about the incident and a judge heard ten hours of evidence and testimony before ruling it wasn't founded and the university acted anyway to make sure it wasn't sweeping anything under the rug.

It is possible you are right about that night but we do not have any evidence to suggest it and therefore we shouldnt.

I don't disagree. I just don't think we should switch into purely blaming the accuser and pretending Bubu didn't put himself in this situation with what was, at the very best, some very, very, very poor decisions made under questionable circumstances. Bubu screwed up. Iowa State just has somehow managed to screw up as well, and in a much more well paid, deliberate, and public manner.

 

[IAStubborn]

Then the process that allows the ALJ decision to be appealed to the University President should be changed.

I'd still like to know how and who appealed Bubu's ALJ decision.

I AGREE.

As to who appealed, it is in both the DC ruling and the BoR petition to the supreme court. The appeal was made by the complaintant and the university. The University does so automatically in sexual assault cases because of title ÃŒX requirements to ensure protection of assault victims. New Title ÃŒX guidance also requires the preponderance of.evidence standard for internal student assault case investigations while other CoC violations may have a higher evidentiary standard (I don't know if ISU'S is uniform or not but it is only required and encouraged for sexual assault by the DoE).

Also I have assumed the complaintant is the accuser as it is a implied in the DC ruling.

 

[Seedman]

Re: Bubu back again

So much conversation and arguing over a 4th string PG.

Sounds like you are one of the fans who has been attacking our players every time they have a poor game.

 

[jbhtexas]

I AGREE.

As to who appealed, it is in both the DC ruling and the BoR petition to the supreme court. The appeal was made by the claimant and the university. The University does so automatically in sexual assault cases because of title ÃŒV requirements to ensure protection of assault victims. New Title ÃŒV guidance also requires the preponderance of.evidence standard for internal student assault case investigations while other CoC violations may have a higher evidentiary standard (I don't know if ISU'S is uniform or not but it is only required and encouraged for sexual assault by the DoE).

So, if Title IV requires the university to appeal, and the university president has to make a judgement, the only way for us to judge whether Leath made the correct decision or not is for us to see the evidence that he had to consider. Is that evidence publicly available?

 

[Incyte]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Lot's of self-righteousness in this thread. How many of you were angry when Fred pulled the scholly on the IHCC transfer at the last minute?

 

[ISUCubswin]

Anyone who thinks the fans outside of Cyclone Fanatic don't really care about this…you don't have many fans around you, do you?

99% of people I know aren't posters on Cyclone Fanatic, yet just about every time I talk to someone they ask for my thoughts on Bubu, and they, too, believe he should be on the court.

To make a comment made earlier better: The idea that anyone inside Hilton will care about Bubu's return to the court is correct.

The place will go nuts, except for the cranks that want to bow down to Leath for doing something because his hand was forced by some organization.

 

[jbhtexas]

The place will go nuts, except for the cranks that want to bow down to Leath for doing something because his hand was forced by some organization.

1) Have you seen the all of the evidence that Leath considered in his decision?

2) What exactly did you want Leath to do?

 

[NATEizKING]

Re: Bubu back again

So much conversation and arguing over a 4th string PG.

1. Kane
2. Morris
3. Niang
4. Bubu

 

[CYphyllis]

Re: Bubu back again

Sounds like you are one of the fans who has been attacking our players every time they have a poor game.

When you find one example of that, get back to me. I don't even come on this site after losses because I know the posting majority on here can't handle it.

 

[CYphyllis]

Re: Bubu back again

1. Kane
2. Morris
3. Niang
4. Bubu

I'd think you would see Long and Thomas taking care of handling duties before Bubu as well. I don't know if people seemingly forget that Bubu is a low mid major PG at best or they have just never paid attention to him when he was actually on the court turning the ball over and getting blown past on D.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Re: Bubu back again

I'd think you would see Long and Thomas taking care of handling duties before Bubu as well. I don't know if people seemingly forget that Bubu is a low mid major PG at best or they have just never paid attention to him when he was actually on the court turning the ball over and getting blown past on D.

Long or Thomas plays pg before Bubu? Try again. Recall what happen to Long's minutes when Bubu came back last year. There is a reason why Bubu played for us in the NCAA tournament games, but I doubt you paid attention enough to actually realize that.

 

[CYKOFAN]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

There was absolutely nothing personal about that two sentence statement. You are just flat wrong.

We're just going to have to disagree on that. In a nutshell JP's statement said we don't want BuBu on the team and we don't want the judge messing in our business. I don't know how you could see it any other way, and I doubt BuBu or the judge appreciated the statement very much. But interpret it how you want.

 

[CyStalker]

Re: Bubu back again

Before all of this mess took place, I believe that Fred said that Bubu would probably be a starter after his performance in the summer league. I also believe he said that he was the best defender on the team. But then again, what does he know?

 

[Cyclones01]

Re: Bubu back again

Before all of this mess took place, I believe that Fred said that Bubu would probably be a starter after his performance in the summer league. I also believe he said that he was the best defender on the team. But then again, what does he know?

Clearly Fred doesn't know anything about basketball.... I think it's pretty obvious at this point.

 

[CYphyllis]

Re: Bubu back again

Long or Thomas plays pg before Bubu? Try again. Recall what happen to Long's minutes when Bubu came back last year. There is a reason why Bubu played for us in the NCAA tournament games, but I doubt you paid attention enough to actually realize that.

Long's improved. Bubu never improved, his go to move for three years was to dribble into the defenders chest and fall over while rarely making a fluke layup off the top of the backboard. I guess in my clearly minimal observations I've noticed a few things, like, I don't know, his -22 +/- on a tournament caliber team in limited time last season.

Honestly, if you think Bubu is a strong add to a roster any argument you make is moot. He's nothing but a distraction that seemingly can't take a hint, a large, alarmingly obvious hint.

 

[CYphyllis]

Re: Bubu back again

Before all of this mess took place, I believe that Fred said that Bubu would probably be a starter after his performance in the summer league. I also believe he said that he was the best defender on the team. But then again, what does he know?

Hah, what a horrendous lie.

 

[CYKOFAN]

I watched the video and read the story. This makes me sick.

Our country and our universities would benefit from a more principled moral leadership. Not that it had a direct bearing on this case, but morality in this country accelerated into an unforeseen death spiral in November 2008 and hit an entirely new gear in November 2012. Unfortunately, the current morally debased agenda in DC appears to have metastasized into a pathological cancer consuming the very fabric of our society destroying all that once made this a great nation.

You're right. The moral decay of our country is all because of Obamacare.

 

[CyStalker]

Re: Bubu back again

Hah, what a horrendous lie.

And the reason you passed up the coaching position when it was offered to you is why? Just curious since you seem to know more than our current coach....

 

[CyDude16]

Re: More kindling for the Bubu dumpster fire...

Hey CyDude16, based on your replies on all the message boards, I believe that your views are not too popular with the Men's BB Team.

Not too concerned about that. My essentially neutral opinion that has blame on both sides isn't going to change due to the opinion of the team or posters here. My hope is this media soap opera ends soon.

 

[swarthmoreCY]

Re: Bubu back again

Long's improved. Bubu never improved, his go to move for three years was to dribble into the defenders chest and fall over while rarely making a fluke layup off the top of the backboard.

Long has improved because he is not coming in as pg. Even if Long's improvement was relevant, were you saying he had improved prior to seeing him on the court? Seriously, do you even watch the games?