Bubu Suing ISU
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Sorry I was agreeing with you and adding my 2 cents. I read his opinion. Not the tribune article. He didnt paint Bubu as a an angel but also didn't paint him as a rapist which was my point (and yours).
I don't know why Fred just didn't play Bubu. Fred and Leath never got along, Leath hated Fred, and Fred knew he'd be leaving for the NBA within a year or two anyways.
That makes more sense in that context. To be fair your post didn't have that context and read (at least to me) like you were stating that posters who see this differently do so because they are seeing it through the lens of their own transgressions. I found that insulting and distasteful as someone who sees a lot of nuance in this and both sides. If that isn't what you meant my apologies I appreciate the clarification.
I would never call anyone in here a rapist. I have very carefully not even called Bubu a rapist, unless it came out without me realizing it. I think Bubu made some terrible decisions that night, ones of which he should be cognizant as being questionable, even if the actual rape didn't happen. Bubu's continual quest for vindication and revenge legally does not show me that he has any self-realization.
There have been plenty of glib comments in this thread such as college aged people wondering about whether they should hit it in front or behind or both rather than whether they have affirmative consent. I'm sure they are meant as jokes but really just add to the dehumanizing aspect of it all. And granted I come at it from a very specific place, having years ago worked with many abuse victims. Moreover, several times I have mentioned in various bad first date threads about my disaster of one that ended with the arrest of my date. And back in the middle ages when I was in college, I was in plenty of situations that made me afraid at 5'9" and 128 pounds. But all of these viewpoints and perceptions sometimes contribute to rape going unreported and rapists free to continue their behavior. Victims always believe that no one will believe them and they are truly the person who is on trial. And so many will seek help not from the courts but from intervention services, rape hotlines, counseling, etc. Others try and tough it out and suffer anxiety, depression, drug abuse, self-loathing, and suicidal thoughts.
We have also recently gone through a lot of off-the-wall comments from public figures using phrases such as "legitimate rape" and rationalizing sex with children when they look older than their chronological age. I guess we are in a better place than some countries in the world.:sad:
Angie, you and I agree on a whole bunch of topics, but I think in this case you may be in your own little world here. I mean.. you are not even reading what I'm writing and inferring a WHOLE bunch of other **** that is completely out there in la la land. Seriously...
I NEVER said there was a conspiracy. ALL I SAID...was that Leath's decision was poorly timed and his delay cost Bubu a year of college basketball. He may have been trying to 'take his time' or think it through, but it doesn't really matter. All that matter is that his decision was delayed enough to prevent a possible transfer. Seriously...that is what we call a 'FACT'. It is my opinion (again..my opinion only, although it may be shared by others on this board) that this 'FACT' is cause for Bubu to sue ISU. Unfortunately, you are very emotional in this discussion and your arguments are getting more and more demeaning to those who disagree with you.
This is a self righteous post from someone who has no clue what actually happened that night. No one does. To say it was a bad decision even if no rape occurred doesn't even make sense. So anytime people get wasted and hook up its a bad decision? And if it wasn't rape and he was wrongfully accused he has every right to go after her and the university and should.
I'm not sure what else Leath is supposed to do in this situation. You don't need to be a lawyer to read a calendar, although this thread is making me wonder about some of you.
Actually there are many clues, certainly enough to have an opinion. And since when has an absence of factual information had anything to do with posting on this board? Read this thread, it's comical.
I've had a whole lot of PMs, likes, and rep for being on my own on it. I wasn't referring to only your comments in my response - I am addressing a whole spectrum of responses. Yes, I quoted you, but this thread isn't a conversation between just you and I. People have posted that Leath has a vendetta against Bubu, that he did the timing out of spite, etc.
I, again, have only shown emotion when my words were twisted or when people have made disgusting statements. I have already discussed my debate style in this thread, and the inherent problems with people interpreting my tone when there is actually a lack thereof, and have no desire to revisit it if you didn't read the last time. I am not emotionally invested in this, other than the issue of rape victims as a whole.
I've posted two or three times a summary of what my entire feelings on this are. I would suggest reading those.
This is tiring, because people aren't reading the whole thread, and are having knee-jerk reactions to single phrases. People are going to believe what they want to believe, and have at it. However, my point since the very first post (and so that you don't again think that this is directed at you, it isn't) is that phrases like "she's asking for it" and "everyone has done it" condone a culture where sexual assault not only exists, but thrives unchecked.
I guess you missed the last fifteen times this was addressed by multiple people in this thread.
1. Let's not pretend that Bubu just hooked up with a girl while drunk. He took an inebriated "friend" to an empty place, hung out on the phone while his friend raped her (this part has been confirmed by the ALJ), and then went in for seconds.
2. Having sex with someone too drunk to legally consent is rape. So, yes, getting wasted and "hooking up" is a bad decision if the other person was too drunk to legally consent, because it means that you are vulnerable to a rape charge, whether you think that's right or not. It also doesn't matter if you were drunk at the same time - much like drunk driving, it's still a crime even if you're intoxicated.
3. You have no proof he was wrongfully accused.
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I think to say it's motivated by revenge or anything like that is too much. We don't know any of that. Maybe it's just simple greed, maybe it is out of a sense of justice, etc.
He's probably what, 24? I didn't have much self-realization then either.
In hindsight, I should have given you the benefit of the doubt and that was hyberbole on my part; sleeping with someone intoxicated isn't rape, nor did you say it was. While I no doubt agree that some here are biased by there own experiences i just thought you were making a leap painting us all with that brush. Now that I know that wasn't your intention I do feel like a jerk for makilng that accusation in haste as I do agree with you with you 95% of the time and when I dont i respect your opinion. Again my apologies. I should have taken the Gossamer approach and asked for clarification before jumping to conclusions.
Yeah I didn't read the whole thread so hadn't seen any of those kinds of posts. In that context makes Angie's post completely rational and it is to bad people would make a joke about it. I have two young boys and I know that we someday will have a conversation about affirmative consent. The world is different than when I was in college and for the most part that is a good thing.
I'm not offended, I understand - and I do apologize for giving that impression, or that I am telling people they're condoning rape, or anything of the sort. I think we have a culture as a whole that minimizes rape - I'm not saying a CF culture, I mean a national culture. It's being worked on, but when politicians talk about "real rape" and that sort of thing, it shows that it's still something trivialized nationally. I think people who were victims (men and women), or who knew victims, etc. have a responsibility to try and help explain what is wrong, and what needs to change.
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