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Saw it over the weekend. Thought it was great and one of Marvel's better movies. A lot of lessons besides the typical super hero stuff. I haven't seen Ragnarok yet, hoping to this weekend.

Any bets that Wakanda's power source for the flower is from the soul infinity stone?
 

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So what is the story behind black panther. How did he get his super powers, what can stop him? Like Cryptonite stops superman. Can this guy be defeated or what?
 

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It was a solid B. Ragnorok was better.

I thought Ragnarok was way better. Maybe part of it was that most of the characters were already developed in prior movies. I just think that to do it right, you have to have the right amount of humor, good action, fx that will allow you to suspend disbelief and a villain that is believable and not a faceless blob, alien army or horde of robots. To me, the films that did it right are Ragnarok and Gaurdians 1. Those two had good flow, good characters, good story.

I thought Panther was good, but it wouldn't make my top 10. The casino scene was awesome and I liked how they make Wakanda. I just didn't care all that much for Michael B. Jordan and the way that half the people of Wakanda just switched sides and fought against their countrymen at the drop of a hat when an outsider took the throne. Also, I've never cared for heroes riding wild beasts around like the rhinos...that goes back to Attack of the Clones, which was an all time stupid scene.
 

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Saw it over the weekend. Thought it was great and one of Marvel's better movies. A lot of lessons besides the typical super hero stuff. I haven't seen Ragnarok yet, hoping to this weekend.

Any bets that Wakanda's power source for the flower is from the soul infinity stone?

That is where my bet is for the soul stone
 

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I thought Ragnarok was way better. Maybe part of it was that most of the characters were already developed in prior movies. I just think that to do it right, you have to have the right amount of humor, good action, fx that will allow you to suspend disbelief and a villain that is believable and not a faceless blob, alien army or horde of robots. To me, the films that did it right are Ragnarok and Gaurdians 1. Those two had good flow, good characters, good story.

I thought Panther was good, but it wouldn't make my top 10. The casino scene was awesome and I liked how they make Wakanda. I just didn't care all that much for Michael B. Jordan and the way that half the people of Wakanda just switched sides and fought against their countrymen at the drop of a hat when an outsider took the throne. Also, I've never cared for heroes riding wild beasts around like the rhinos...that goes back to Attack of the Clones, which was an all time stupid scene.

Its always interesting to hear takes like yours as I'm kind of the exact opposite when it comes to Ragnarok. It is one of my least favorite movies as it was just too over-the-top on the comedy side for me, which mitigated away any of the weight we are supposed to feel for pretty much anything that happens. GOTG has some of that happening, but balanced it a lot better in my mind. With all that said, if I've learned anything, it is that there isn't an exact balance that is going to make everyone happy, but rather everyone has somewhat different preferences. Overall though, I think Marvel doesn't a pretty good job of mostly hitting around the middle when it comes to a good balance. Sometimes they go a bit too much humor, and sometimes fall a bit short, but never miss the mid-mark by too much, which is impressive.
 

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So what is the story behind black panther. How did he get his super powers, what can stop him? Like Cryptonite stops superman. Can this guy be defeated or what?
The Black Panther is actually the ceremonial title given to the chief of the Panther Tribe of the advanced African nation of Wakanda. In addition to ruling the country, he is also chief of its various tribes (collectively referred to as the Wakandas). The Panther habit is a symbol of office (head of state) and is used even during diplomatic missions. The Panther is a hereditary title, but one must still earn it.
Along with possessing enhanced abilities achieved through ancient Wakandan rituals of drinking the heart shaped herb, The Black Panther also relies on his proficiency in science, rigorous physical training, hand-to-hand combat skills, and access to wealth and advanced technology to combat his enemies.

To become the black panther you have to get your powers taken away, and allow yourself to be put up for a challenge if the other Wakandan tribes don't see you fit. So they can get killed. But it has to be in very specific circumstances in which Vibranium does not have effect. What makes him more impressive is the technology that Wakanda has due to the vibranium that is rich in the Wakandan soil.

It's actually a pretty interesting back story, and the reason for their concealment of vibranium to the outside world is an interesting wrinkle in their story. At least it was for me.
 
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The Black Panther is actually the ceremonial title given to the chief of the Panther Tribe of the advanced African nation of Wakanda. In addition to ruling the country, he is also chief of its various tribes (collectively referred to as the Wakandas). The Panther habit is a symbol of office (head of state) and is used even during diplomatic missions. The Panther is a hereditary title, but one must still earn it.
Along with possessing enhanced abilities achieved through ancient Wakandan rituals of drinking the heart shaped herb, The Black Panther also relies on his proficiency in science, rigorous physical training, hand-to-hand combat skills, and access to wealth and advanced technology to combat his enemies.

To become the black panther you have to get your powers taken away, and allow yourself to be put up for a challenge if the other Wakandan tribes don't see you fit. So they can get killed. But it has to be in very specific circumstances in which Vibranium does not have effect. What makes him more impressive is the technology that Wakanda has due to the vibranium that is rich in the Wakandan soil.

It's actually a pretty interesting back story, and the reason for their concealment of vibranium to the outside world is an interesting wrinkle in their story. At least it was for me.

Agreed. Having not known about the backstory, I thought the origin of the Black Panther and the responsibilities involved with the title made for a really interesting story.

I also loved how the power gets passed down from one protector to another ensuring that the character can live on, unlike how other super heroes age and have to be re-invented. Well, at least I hope they are able to work around that after the whole burning thing!
 

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Put me in the Ragnarok > Black Panther crowd.
I think when I get down to the base of it, I liked Black Panther more than Ragnarok mostly due to the fact that Ryan Coogler went out and made a Ryan Coogler Marvel movie, whereas Taika Waititi with Ragnarok went out and made a Taika Waititi film.
 

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I think when I get down to the base of it, I liked Black Panther more than Ragnarok mostly due to the fact that Ryan Coogler went out and made a Ryan Coogler Marvel movie, whereas Taika Waititi with Ragnarok went out and made a Taika Waititi film.
I wish Taika Waititi would go out and make more Taika Waititi films. Dude is a genius.

But I get what you're saying and I tend to agree. His movie was as entertaining as they come, but Black Panther was a more well done movie overall.

Ragnarok was closer to Dead Pool, where Black Panther was closer to The Dark Knight (I know it's not Marvel, but the comparison still stands)
 

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I wish Taika Waititi would go out and make more Taika Waititi films. Dude is a genius.

But I get what you're saying and I tend to agree. His movie was as entertaining as they come, but Black Panther was a more well done movie overall.

Ragnarok was closer to Dead Pool, where Black Panther was closer to The Dark Knight (I know it's not Marvel, but the comparison still stands)

Totally agree. It isn't that I don't like Taika films because I do. However, if he is going to make pure Taika films, I want him creating his own new films in his own sandbox. Sign me up for that.
 
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Totally agree. It isn't that I don't like Taika films because I do. However, if he is going to make pure Taika films, I want him creating his own new films in his own sandbox. Sign me up for that.
Give me a ******* Korg spin-off, stat!

But, I'm with you, What Happens in the Shadows is one of my favorite comedies solely cause it is so outrageous and out there and only someone like him or Jermaine Clement could come up with haha.
 

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After listening to Marc Bernardin give his full-out Black Panther review, the light bulb in my head finally went off as to why I liked Black Panther and didn't love it. He called it the T'Challa problem. To preface this, keep in mind that for me, my favorite characters in Civil War were both Spider-Man and Black Panther. Both characters were able to really pop for me, even with limited screen time. However, now that Black Panther has his own movie, I never got that pop again that I was looking for and already knew he had in him.

Like Bernardin said, in the end, T'Challa is a fairly one-note character throughout, who is a bit too perfect, lacks a clear motivation, lacks conflict, has really no character flaws, and if we are honest, is usually our least favorite character on the screen at any point in time. Most of the time, he is just there. Once you then compile all of this, there is a point in the movie where T'Challa pretty much comes back from the dead, yet you somewhat don't care since you just assumed it would happen anyway, beings how the dude is just that perfect. Then, just when we don't need any more tropes, you add in a bunch of heavy CGI action scenes into the mix, where our seemingly invincible character in the first place, fights everyone in an over-the-top invincible cartooney manner.

Sure, I agree that I'm definitely being a little harsh right now on T'Challa, because it isn't like he was bad either. He is also was surrounded by an amazing supporting cast too which probably didn't help his cause to pop in the manner I was wanting. Ultimately, I just wanted him to be great, especially being the central character in the movie and one of my favorite parts of Civil War, and all I got was good. In the end, maybe I came to see a Black Panther movie, yet rather got something of a Black Panther's world movie. Shoot, I still prefer the Black Panther character arc in Civil War over his character arc here.
 
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So what is the story behind black panther. How did he get his super powers, what can stop him? Like Cryptonite stops superman. Can this guy be defeated or what?

He drinks some weird dark liquid at the base of a waterfall and loses all his heightened abilities. They really don't ever explain what the liquid is. Just that he drinks it, has some pain, blood vessels change a weird color and then he's basically a normal human with better than average fighting skills.
 

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After listening to Marc Bernardin give his full-out Black Panther review, the light bulb in my head finally went off as to why I liked Black Panther and didn't love it. He called it the T'Challa problem. To preface this, keep in mind that for me, my favorite characters in Civil War were both Spider-Man and Black Panther. Both characters were able to really pop for me, even with limited screen time. However, now that Black Panther has his own movie, I never got that pop again that I was looking for and already knew he had in him.

Like Bernardin said, in the end, T'Challa is a fairly one-note character throughout, who is a bit too perfect, lacks a clear motivation, lacks conflict, has really no character flaws, and if we are honest, is usually our least favorite character on the screen at any point in time. Most of the time, he is just there. Once you then compile all of this, there is a point in the movie where T'Challa pretty much comes back from the dead, yet you somewhat don't care since you just assumed it would happen anyway, beings how the dude is just that perfect. Then, just when we don't need any more tropes, you add in a bunch of heavy CGI action scenes into the mix, where our seemingly invincible character in the first place, fights everyone in an over-the-top invincible cartooney manner.

Sure, I agree that I'm definitely being a little harsh right now on T'Challa, because it isn't like he was bad either. He is also was surrounded by an amazing supporting cast too which probably didn't help his cause to pop in the manner I was wanting. Ultimately, I just wanted him to be great, especially being the central character in the movie and one of my favorite parts of Civil War, and all I got was good. In the end, maybe I came to see a Black Panther movie, yet rather got something of a Black Panther's world movie. Shoot, I still prefer the Black Panther character arc in Civil War over his character arc here.

I’m in almost complete agreement with this assessment. T’Challa in Civil War was a much more interesting character because of his arc, whereas the T’Challa in his own movie wasn’t quite as compelling... but I think it was more due to the strength of the supporting cast which is probably the best all-around cast out of any of the MCU films. Killmonger probably replaced Loki as my favorite villain, mostly because he had the depth that so many other villains in the MCU have lacked.

This film was a slow burn for me. I left the theater impressed, but the more I think about it and read others opinions, the more I’ve grown to love it. Bring on Infinity War.
 

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I didn't come away as impressed as I thought I would have, I was super pumped to see this movie but it kind of only went halfway. It was good, not great. The back story was great and some of the supporting characters were really good but there wasn't much depth from T'Challa or Killmonger, both were pretty generic, predictable characters. It had a James Bond/Spiderman/Lion king type of feel. My hope is that since this was just a tip of the iceberg, introductory film and that the sequels will have a bit more meat to them.
 

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After listening to Marc Bernardin give his full-out Black Panther review, the light bulb in my head finally went off as to why I liked Black Panther and didn't love it. He called it the T'Challa problem. To preface this, keep in mind that for me, my favorite characters in Civil War were both Spider-Man and Black Panther. Both characters were able to really pop for me, even with limited screen time. However, now that Black Panther has his own movie, I never got that pop again that I was looking for and already knew he had in him.

Like Bernardin said, in the end, T'Challa is a fairly one-note character throughout, who is a bit too perfect, lacks a clear motivation, lacks conflict, has really no character flaws, and if we are honest, is usually our least favorite character on the screen at any point in time. Most of the time, he is just there. Once you then compile all of this, there is a point in the movie where T'Challa pretty much comes back from the dead, yet you somewhat don't care since you just assumed it would happen anyway, beings how the dude is just that perfect. Then, just when we don't need any more tropes, you add in a bunch of heavy CGI action scenes into the mix, where our seemingly invincible character in the first place, fights everyone in an over-the-top invincible cartooney manner.

Sure, I agree that I'm definitely being a little harsh right now on T'Challa, because it isn't like he was bad either. He is also was surrounded by an amazing supporting cast too which probably didn't help his cause to pop in the manner I was wanting. Ultimately, I just wanted him to be great, especially being the central character in the movie and one of my favorite parts of Civil War, and all I got was good. In the end, maybe I came to see a Black Panther movie, yet rather got something of a Black Panther's world movie. Shoot, I still prefer the Black Panther character arc in Civil War over his character arc here.

The backstory for Killmonger was more interesting than T'Challa's which made him a more compelling character. However, T'Challa had to come to terms with fighting a villain that his revered father helped create. I thought there was a decent amount of intrigue and conflict in that.

I agree with your assessment about T'Challa being a little too perfect at times. Since he is supposed to embody the protector role of the Black Panther, I took it as a certain evenness and moral fiber is expected with the honor. I've been slowly finding excuses for some of my early criticisms and want to re-watch it again.

And yeah, the "back from the dead" reveal wasn't a surprise to anyone, but there's a certain formula to all superhero movies that is pretty hard to sidestep.

I'm curious to see how big of a role vibranium plays in Infinity War. The technology seems to even the playing field against alien firepower a bit.
 

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IMO vibranium is the substance that is produced by the soul infinity stone.

I agree with your assessment about T'Challa being a little too perfect at times. Since he is supposed to embody the protector role of the Black Panther, I took it as a certain evenness and moral fiber is expected with the honor. I've been slowly finding excuses for some of my early criticisms and want to re-watch it again.

T'Challa is basically superman. Pretty boring when you boil him down.
 

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I see that "black twitter" is saying that Black Panther is the main reason why everyone wants to see Infinity War. I know that movie made a bunch of money, but he is pretty far down the list for me. I'm sorry, but he's not that interesting of a character. And most people are much more invested in some of the other characters.