Big10 - Pac12 - ACC Merger

[CascadeClone]

The denial around here to what is staring us directly in the face is shocking.

I think we all understand the risk, and how bad that would be, but that worst case isnt written in stone yet.

This could still go a lot of different ways, and none of us really know anything. I think the university presidents, ADs, Fox, etc - they havent made any decisions yet anyway. It may still turn out to the good for ISU.

Stay tuned for further developments!

 

[ImperialCyclone]

With that argument KU vs OK should be the same draw as ISU vs OK. The point being: the better the competition, the better the draw. ISU will increase the draw of any Blue Blood game.

No. I am saying other conferences view Iowa State like (let’s just say Washington State). No conference is going to want to add Washington State. There is no point in expanding. That is what I am saying. This isn’t a charity. We were in the wrong conference at the wrong time. We are now hosed. That is what I am saying.

 

[Cyclones1969]

I think we all understand the risk, and how bad that would be, but that worst case isnt written in stone yet.

This could still go a lot of different ways, and none of us really know anything. I think the university presidents, ADs, Fox, etc - they havent made any decisions yet anyway. It may still turn out to the good for ISU.

Stay tuned for further developments!

But there’s imaginary metrics, And assertions that Disney’s lawyers will have arguments that will defeat the remainder of the big 12’s ability to ever force the two schools and espn to pay.

 

[cayin]

No. I am saying other conferences view Iowa State like (let’s just say Washington State). No conference is going to want to add Washington State. There is no point in expanding. That is what I am saying. This isn’t a charity. We were in the wrong conference at the wrong time. We are now hosed. That is what I am saying.

you mean the Washington State that averages 26k per game compared to our 59K for game? I know, I know, it's about perception and sadly, you are right, we are viewed as a Washington State even though we have a better p5 profile than them.

 

[clonedude]

There is no incentive for a tv network, conference or any other schools to want to add anything. By eliminating 8 schools from the power 5, and moving them to G5 status, the tv network could save 27 mil per team per year. That is 216 mil they could pay other schools and they could pocket the rest. So with less schools in the mix, more for each school still in P5.

Totally this. People that think ISU is attractive to any other conference that matters is too drunk on cardinal and gold kool aid I'm afraid.

It doesn't matter at all that we're actually really good at football now. If that's what mattered, we'd have been invited to the SEC instead of Texas.

We add nothing monetarily to any conference for the most part. I was hoping the PAC would merge with the remaining Big 12 schools so they could play a bunch of games in the Central time zone.... I think that was our best chance.

 

[Cyforce]

Trying to wrap my head around this "alliance ". With all three conferences currently having 14 members it seems likely each school would play one game against each of the other conferences.

I don't know how long Notre Dame's agreement runs with the ACC but I doubt this gets extended with the conference being committed to two other P4 games per year. Not sure who the Domers are going to play in that scenario? I know it's a pipe dream but ND and Cincinnati gets us back to where we where with OuT. Plus it might punch our ticket into the alliance.

Poke holes in it all you want but seriously who is Notre Dame going to play?

 

[AuH2O]

Every metric I have seen on this site shows Iowa State favoring well compared to other middling programs. The issue here is that those conferences have a blue blood. Adding Iowa State to any of those conferences does absolutely nothing for them. Outside of increased inventory, the Big 12 does nothing but dilute shares for other conferences. That is fairly obvious here. It doesn’t matter what our current record is or the most recent success we have had. This is about our university’s valuation to a conference and that valuation is not going to allow us to add money to any tv contract.

By your argument there should be only blue bloods in conferences. Why don’t they all just break away? Because they know a 30 team circle jerk league is going to cut out a massive number of fans and eliminate the product differentiation it has from the NFL. So there are going to be non-blue bloods in whatever college football power league is moving forward. ISU-Okie State would’ve been the third most viewed regular season PAC game, and most of ISUs games crushed every game that did not include USC and Oregon. So if we all understand that there will be non-blue bloods in this league, you can damn sure bet they will want to add the more valuable of those. As you said, ISU compares favorably to middling teams in power conferences. So if they are of above average value, and are likely going to join a new conference at a reduced media share, they absolutely will make other teams money, and in the case of the PAC expand their footprint to regions that actually give a **** about college sports.

 

[cytor]

The Pac will die on the vine if they don't shake things up soon. They are already an afterthought in the other 3 time zones. I still see the benefits of the big 8 and pac merger.

 

[ImperialCyclone]

I hate this just as much as any of us. But here is what I have been trying to say on here for weeks (From Adam Rittenberg, ESPN):

“Joining@ESPNRadio now to discuss potential ACC-B1G-Pac12 alliance. Updated news story here. Am told still in early stages but would be alternative to create stability without adding new members.”

Key here: “without adding new members”.

 

[clonedude]

The Pac will die on the vine if they don't shake things up soon. They are already an afterthought in the other 3 time zones. I still see the benefits of the big 8 and pac merger.

I agree, but it seems like they are more interested in playing B1G and ACC teams than the Big 12 teams..... which really sucks for us.

 

[ImperialCyclone]

By your argument there should be only blue bloods in conferences. Why don’t they all just break away? Because they know a 30 team circle jerk league is going to cut out a massive number of fans and eliminate the product differentiation it has from the NFL. So there are going to be non-blue bloods in whatever college football power league is moving forward. ISU-Okie State would’ve been the third most viewed regular season PAC game, and most of ISUs games crushed every game that did not include USC and Oregon. So if we all understand that there will be non-blue bloods in this league, you can damn sure bet they will want to add the more valuable of those. As you said, ISU compares favorably to middling teams in power conferences. So if they are of above average value, and are likely going to join a new conference at a reduced media share, they absolutely will make other teams money, and in the case of the PAC expand their footprint to regions that actually give a **** about college sports.

I am saying there is no incentive to add.

 

[Cyclones1969]

I hate this just as much as any of us. But here is what I have been trying to say on here for weeks (From Adam Rittenberg, ESPN):

“Joining@ESPNRadio now to discuss potential ACC-B1G-Pac12 alliance. Updated news story here. Am told still in early stages but would be alternative to create stability without adding new members.”

Key here: “without adding new members”.

an espn source. Hmm

they don’t have any interest in this at all.

 

[Cyclones1969]

Totally this. People that think ISU is attractive to any other conference that matters is too drunk on cardinal and gold kool aid I'm afraid.

It doesn't matter at all that we're actually really good at football now. If that's what mattered, we'd have been invited to the SEC instead of Texas.

We add nothing monetarily to any conference for the most part. I was hoping the PAC would merge with the remaining Big 12 schools so they could play a bunch of games in the Central time zone.... I think that was our best chance.

You should go out and enjoy a nice day with your family.

 

[cytor]

When other conferences start eliminating other conferences, it's bad for the sport all around.

 

[Clonehomer]

There is no incentive for a tv network, conference or any other schools to want to add anything. By eliminating 8 schools from the power 5, and moving them to G5 status, the tv network could save 27 mil per team per year. That is 216 mil they could pay other schools and they could pocket the rest. So with less schools in the mix, more for each school still in P5.

I guess it depends on how many subscriptions ESPN thinks they'll lose by dropping these schools. I've said before, but I think that the minute the ESPN contract runs out that ISU/Big12 should affiliate with Philo.tv to promote that you don't have to subsidize ESPN and the SEC.

Go beyond sports fans and start a large campaign to let people know that they are paying to support ESPN whether they watch it or not. Go on an offensive to hit ESPN where it hurts

 

[AuH2O]

Totally this. People that think ISU is attractive to any other conference that matters is too drunk on cardinal and gold kool aid I'm afraid.

It doesn't matter at all that we're actually really good at football now. If that's what mattered, we'd have been invited to the SEC instead of Texas.

We add nothing monetarily to any conference for the most part. I was hoping the PAC would merge with the remaining Big 12 schools so they could play a bunch of games in the Central time zone.... I think that was our best chance.

How dumb do you think networks are? Fox can see that ISU and OSU would be the third and fourth most watched teams if the PAC added them, and their games on tier 1 channels are right with Oregon and not far off of USC. Fox would get more inventory and much higher viewership in games if the PAC added ISU and OSU. So they would be willing to pay more for a TV contract with the PAC. PAC can offer a partial media share to these two that makes it more profitable for current members. PAC can have more teams to prevent future “you only have 12 teams, why should you get a CFP autobid when other leagues have 14,16 or more?” argument. Lastly, you can bet an uneven distribution is going to be coming if they want to keep USC. Adding more teams helps spread that out.

 

[Gonzo]

Trying to wrap my head around this "alliance ". With all three conferences currently having 14 members it seems likely each school would play one game against each of the other conferences.

I don't know how long Notre Dame's agreement runs with the ACC but I doubt this gets extended with the conference being committed to two other P4 games per year. Not sure who the Domers are going to play in that scenario? I know it's a pipe dream but ND and Cincinnati gets us back to where we where with OuT. Plus it might punch our ticket into the alliance.

Poke holes in it all you want but seriously who is Notre Dame going to play?

ND's agreement with the ACC runs through the terms of the GoR I think, so until 2036. Until that time, according to the agreement, if they join a conference in football it's the ACC or no one.

 

[CyCrazy]

Some of you need to get a grip. jfc

 

[Cyclones1969]

ND's agreement with the ACC runs through the terms of the GoR I think, so until 2036. Until that time, according to the agreement, if they join a conference in football it's the ACC or no one.

Wait, I thought you guys said they are going to join the big 10 for sure this time.

 

[Tornado man]

No. I am saying other conferences view Iowa State like (let’s just say Washington State). No conference is going to want to add Washington State. There is no point in expanding. That is what I am saying. This isn’t a charity. We were in the wrong conference at the wrong time. We are now hosed. That is what I am saying.

I wonder if we will still keep our home and home with Iowa - or will they make us play at Kinnick like they do UNI.