Best case/Worst case

[inCyteful]

I don't want to hear this entire hard schedule excuse. When Iowa has years when they face highly ranked teams they beat them, and they could do the same this year if they faced them. Let me give you some examples.

Ricky Stanzi 3 bowl wins, Iowa State total 2 bowl wins

Against top 15 teams:

2011 vs #13 Michigan
2010 vs #5 MSU, #14 Missouri
2009 vs #5 Penn State, #9 Georgia Tech
2008 vs #3 Penn State
2004 vs #9 Wisconsin, #12 LSU
2003 vs #9 Michigan
2002 vs #8 Michigan, #12 Penn State

1996 vs #10 Penn State
1991 vs #13 Illinois, #13 OSU
1990 vs #5 Illinois, #10 Michigan
1987 vs #11 Indiana
1985 vs #2 Michigan
1984 vs #14 Purdue
1983 vs #3 OSU
1981 vs #5 Michigan, #6 UCLA, #7 Nebraska

If Iowa can beat all of those teams, they can beat the teams ISU's schedule. These opponents only look hard to bad teams. They do not look as hard to good teams like Iowa that goes in with confidence and takes these teams down. You see Iowa State goes in expecting to lose so they do. Iowa goes in expecting to win. That is the difference between a winning team and a losing team. That is what Fry and Ferentz brought to Iowa.

Yep, those were the good ole days. One Top 20 win there in the last 4 years, happens to be the same year ISU beat OSU. Just further proving my point that these two programs are in exactly the same place today. Another win of <7 pts by either team this year will just further that. But go ahead and drivel on.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Stanzi has about as much relevance to today's program as Tim Dwight does. Zero.

 

[wclarson]

Ok, point taken. Buts 6th place isnt 10th place. And Iowa has shown the ability to compete with some of those real good teams. Yes, we got taken to the shed last year against Tenn, but overall, when you look at the real good OOC teams Iowa has played in the last few years (usually in Bowl games), weve faired well. Thats the other side of the "coaching not to lose". It keeps us in the game, regardless of opponent. Getting taken to the shed are usually outliers when you are looking at L's by Iowa. I by no means think we would win the Big 12, but I have a hard time seeing us finishing last place each year.

Also, if by ISU making Iowa look like they were wearing bricks on their feet, you mean only winning by 3 pts, scoring 20 pts, and racking up a Baylor-like 330 yrds (55 more yards than Iowa), then sure.

This is a ridiculous statement. How can you say you lose games against teams you should beat because you coach "not to lose" and then turn around and say "coaching not to lose" keeps you in games against teams that should otherwise beat you. This is terrible logic.

B1G games are often close due to the style and tempo of play. B1G teams have less possessions per game than the Big12 teams. this gives more opportunities to score points and more potential for a team to create separation. Im not saying one style is better than the other and there are teams in the B1G that run uptempo but i think number of possessions is the key driver to this.

 

[Deno]

I should have known that no one here would understand what having a tradition of winning means. Teams like Iowa State with a tradition of losing except losing, thus they are not inspired to win more than 5 games in 2 years.

 

[bosco]

I should have known that no one here would understand what having a tradition of winning means. Teams like Iowa State with a tradition of losing except losing, thus they are not inspired to win more than 5 games in 2 years.

Are you looking for some self approval here or are you looking for friends? Either one is sad and a waste of time.

 

[CyInDFW]

That looks like an Iowa win for sure. Isu is just not very good this year, and Iowa has won 2 of the last 3 at Ames.

The question is how they win. Best case scenario. They come out playing hard put the game away early, avoid injuries, get the back ups a lot of minutes. Like in 2010.

Worst case scenario, they play to conservative so they let isu stick around. Starters get hurt. They win by grinding it out against a lesser opponent like in 2013.

Imo those guys are going to come out fired up and this will be more like the games in 2010 and 2009 rather than 2013 or 2008.

Well thank you for that ray of sunshine

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

I should have known that no one here would understand what having a tradition of winning means. Teams like Iowa State with a tradition of losing except losing, thus they are not inspired to win more than 5 games in 2 years.

How about you make a real point instead of sounding like a complete moron and dodging the actually points that are being made.

 

[ISUcyclones11]

Best case: Bowl game

Worst case: Dogs in grocery stores, or is that joke dead now?

 

[PsychicsRUs]

Best Case: 4-8. Worse Case 1-11

 

[Judoka]

Best case scenario for Iowa State

Beat UNI, Iowa, Toledo, Kansas
Win on the road at Texas Tech
5-0 vs TCU Nationally televised game
I'd give us a shot to win

Lose at Baylor
Beat Texas at home
Lose at Oklahoma
2-1 In the final 3 games.

8-4 or 9-3.

Worst case: 1-11 with a loss to UNI.

Only part of this a disagree with is having a shot against TCU. Other than that I think you nailed it.

 

[CyclonesForever]

13-0 National Championship
0-12

"Anything is possible" - Kevin Garnett

Actually if we had the perfect season and won the national title, we'd be 14-0.

 

[urb1]

Best case, bowl game. Worst case, Prohibition is brought back next week.

 

[khawk4]

This is a ridiculous statement. How can you say you lose games against teams you should beat because you coach "not to lose" and then turn around and say "coaching not to lose" keeps you in games against teams that should otherwise beat you. This is terrible logic.

B1G games are often close due to the style and tempo of play. B1G teams have less possessions per game than the Big12 teams. this gives more opportunities to score points and more potential for a team to create separation. Im not saying one style is better than the other and there are teams in the B1G that run uptempo but i think number of possessions is the key driver to this.

Ridiculous? Terrible logic? Have you ever watched an Iowa game before? You literally just described the style of play I was speaking of it your second paragraph. Look, Iowa's game plan under Ferentz has always been to limit as much variance as possible. Thats done through ball control, and on defense, playing bend dont break, and limiting the big plays, which is usually what separates the good teams from the bad teams. When you play that style, you limit possessions/variance (as you said), which keeps you in games. Thats a good game plan against teams better than you, as it limits their chances of talent taking over since they arent getting as many opportunities. Does this occur more in the B1G? Yeah, probably, but Iowa takes it to its max. But, when you play that way against everyone, you may completely dominated a half of football, but since possessions take so long, and the game plan is long and drawn out, the score may only be something like 14-3, which at that point, anything can happen.

Anybody who has every written, or commentated, on Iowas style of play mentions this exact same thing.

 

[inCyteful]

I should have known that no one here would understand what once having a tradition of winning means. Teams like Iowa State with a tradition of losing except losing, thus they are not inspired to win more than 5 games in 2 years.

FIFY, Again

 

[wclarson]

Ridiculous? Terrible logic? Have you ever watched an Iowa game before? You literally just described the style of play I was speaking of it your second paragraph. Look, Iowa's game plan under Ferentz has always been to limit as much variance as possible. Thats done through ball control, and on defense, playing bend dont break, and limiting the big plays, which is usually what separates the good teams from the bad teams. When you play that style, you limit possessions/variance (as you said), which keeps you in games. Thats a good game plan against teams better than you, as it limits their chances of talent taking over since they arent getting as many opportunities. Does this occur more in the B1G? Yeah, probably, but Iowa takes it to its max. But, when you play that way against everyone, you may completely dominated a half of football, but since possessions take so long, and the game plan is long and drawn out, the score may only be something like 14-3, which at that point, anything can happen.

Anybody who has every written, or commentated, on Iowas style of play mentions this exact same thing.

I think we are on the same page but you cant have your cake and eat it too. thats a style of play issue. "coaching not to lose" is a mentality not a playing style. you just need to take the bad with the good. there are always two sides to the same sword. uptempo offense can have the opposite effect on teams by allowing opponents to make up a lot of points in a short period of time (TCU/BAYLOR last year). Those offenses often have trouble taking their foot of the pedal.

I also understand where hawk fans are coming from in their sense of being on a different level than Iowa State. This from a program stand point is true in football but that's really where the supremacy ends. Hawk fans generalize their success in football across the entire university and athletic department. Iowa's athletic department and their university is by no means on a different level than iowa state (certainly not a higher one at least).

The issue is Iowa fans are in complete denial that ISU is at this time and for the last 5 years on the same level as them in EVERYTHING including football! Iowa State has more students, has more Alumni throughout the state, has sports facilities at every level that are on par or better, etc. Sure you could cherry pick stuff from both schools that shows supremacy but overall these schools are both power5 conference schools regardless of the product on the field and Iowa fans refuse to see that in regards to what is going on in Ames. I hate to use the cliche but Little Brother has grown up and its time to face the music.

 

[Aclone]

Best case: 9-3

Worst case: 2-10

 

[awd4cy]

Best Case: 5-7
Worst Case: 1-11

 

[go1970cy]

I'm wondering who our new coach will be in 2016 under the worst scenario.

 

[awd4cy]

I'm wondering who our new coach will be in 2016 under the worst scenario.

Tim Beckman? Just kidding

 

[CYEATHAWK]

I'm wondering who our new coach will be in 2016 under the worst scenario.

Under worst case, not only do we stink the field up again....CPR is back.