Basketball recruiting update

My thoughts... I do not know how anything "wen't down".

But even IF ISU had a discussion about concerns about Dykstra's development, and lets him know that he won't be prepared for Big 12 Basketball unless he devotes more time to Basketball development, and thus will likely not get playing time because there will be better players to put in the game. THAT is not the same as pulling a scholarship. It's being honest and open, which is better than the kid arriving at ISU to get no playing time because he didn't work hard enough to get into the lineup. As long as we do not say, "You're scholarship offer has been withdrawn" but instead say, "The decision is yours, but you're going to have to work hard to get to the level of competition to break the lineup", then I believe there is nothing wrong with that.


I love ISU basketball and focus most of my time on this board in the Basketball threads. It's pretty easy to see that there is bad blood between various members. I have had my quarell with mpls, but we worked it out in PM and everything was fine. I still often don't agree with what he's said and sometimes pushes the limit and is asking for trouble. But, it's better than it has been early on. That being said, there have been plenty of personal jabs back at mpls that are unnecessary as well.

I love cimd and kg's input on this board and greatly appreciate the work they do to provide their opinions and information. I think we all can try a little harder to not let threads get derailed as personal issues with eachother. Yeah, there has been problems in the past, but if we all take each post for what it's worth, and respond to the post without shots at eachother, it'll make the board more enjoyable. If somebody calls you out, respond to that portion via PM and things will likely get resolved more quietly and was likely just a misunderstanding in the first place.

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My thoughts... I do not know how anything "wen't down".

But even IF ISU had a discussion about concerns about Dykstra's development, and lets him know that he won't be prepared for Big 12 Basketball unless he devotes more time to Basketball development, and thus will likely not get playing time because there will be better players to
put in the game. THAT is not the same as pulling a scholarship.

If your scenario is what actually transpired, then I disagree - it's pulling a scholarship, IMO. They're telling the kid that they no longer have as much confidence in his ability as they once did, and they no have the same optimistic feeling about him become a Cyclone. They may smile when they say it, but they're begging the kid to reconsider...
 
Ladies, when did this site turn into the Cyclone version of "The View". Everyone needs to take a midol with a galss of Zinfandel and relax.....This is obviuosly a sign that there is NOTHING going on in the world of sports. Why don't we start up a post about what shoe sizes make the best D-1 propects.

How many days till kick off?
 
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If your scenario is what actually transpired, then I disagree - it's pulling a scholarship, IMO. They're telling the kid that they no longer have as much confidence in his ability as they once did, and they no have the same optimistic feeling about him become a Cyclone. They may smile when they say it, but they're begging the kid to reconsider...

So do you think it would be better for them to say nothing and let him get to campus to find he is out of his league and has no chance for PT? Telling a kid that IF he improves he has a chance for playing time is not an issue in my book...better to be honest with a kid and give them the information necessary for them to get to the level they need to than to blow sunshine up his *** until it becomes obvious that he can't cut it IMO
 
LOL. I was digging around looking back at some recruiting stuff and came across this thread... Sometimes it's fun to go back and read people's opinions several months ago, then see what ends up happening...

Must be easy to poke fun of other people's opinion changes when yours always stays the same (negative Nancy, pitchforks drawn ready to pile on any coach/administrator from "your team" at a moments notice) whether it's shown to be right or not. I honestly feel sorry for some people :sad:
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Must be easy to poke fun of other people's opinion changes when yours always stays the same (negative Nancy, pitchforks drawn ready to pile on any coach/administrator from "your team" at a moments notice) whether it's shown to be right or not. I honestly feel sorry for some people :sad:
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Yeah me too. Like those who talk smack, but then run away and can't back things up, only to just randomly drop in and talk smack again.

I honestly feel sorry for whatever basketball team you coach, if this is how you treat people...
 
Yeah me too. Like those who talk smack, but then run away and can't back things up, only to just randomly drop in and talk smack again.

I honestly feel sorry for whatever basketball team you coach, if this is how you treat people...

How again did I talk smack? I just get sick to death of reading your tired old negative remarks about everybody associated with the basketball team. There have been negative people in the past on here who have been just as negative, but I don't remember anybody who comes across as high and mighty as you do about your knowledge, experiences, or athletic ability to go along with your running rip-fest on our staff and players.

And I don't know how I've ever "run away" from anything I've ever said on here...if you have a comment to me that I haven't answered it is only because I didn't see it as I have a life outside of the message boards too and don't review every thread or comment I've ever made to see if somebody responded to it...

As for my basketball coaching, if I had a basketball player on my team that was as openly negative, conceited, and condescending to everybody else around them as you seem to be, we would have some issues with our player/coach relationship and there would need to be an attitude adjustment on their part or they would need to look at another extracurricular activity in the winter. On that note, I feel sorry for the slow-pitch softball team you manage if your personality is anything like it seems to be on this board...
 
Serious question to all of you: Have you ever known someone personally that was a big recruit? Have you ever seen the process from the player-side of things? Because I have, and it doesn't always work how it's explained in press releases.

Like I said before, I realize it's Dykstra's decision, but ISU put him in a spot where they knew what his decision would ultimatley be. Parents do stuff like that to their kids all the time.

I'm not advocating anyone getting fired off of this. I was just curious if people's opinions changed.

Instead, cyismydog, kg and a couple of mods want to attack me instead of answering the question...
I just want to make sure I understand your logic:
A.) When beneficial to one's argument (against McD), do not look past what is known/overt (W/L).
B.) When beneficial to one's argument (against McD), do look past what is publicly stated/overt (kid's, kid's coaches word).
 
How again did I talk smack? I just get sick to death of reading your tired old negative remarks about everybody associated with the basketball team. There have been negative people in the past on here who have been just as negative, but I don't remember anybody who comes across as high and mighty as you do about your knowledge, experiences, or athletic ability to go along with your running rip-fest on our staff and players.

And I don't know how I've ever "run away" from anything I've ever said on here...if you have a comment to me that I haven't answered it is only because I didn't see it as I have a life outside of the message boards too and don't review every thread or comment I've ever made to see if somebody responded to it...

As for my basketball coaching, if I had a basketball player on my team that was as openly negative, conceited, and condescending to everybody else around them as you seem to be, we would have some issues with our player/coach relationship and there would need to be an attitude adjustment on their part or they would need to look at another extracurricular activity in the winter. On that note, I feel sorry for the slow-pitch softball team you manage if your personality is anything like it seems to be on this board...

I manage a baseball team, not a slow pitch team. And I think for the most part everyone gets along with me. Even posters that disagree with a lot of my points.

Simply you do not know me and are judging me. I'm going to drop it now and move on.
 
I just want to make sure I understand your logic:
A.) When beneficial to one's argument (against McD), do not look past what is known/overt (W/L).
B.) When beneficial to one's argument (against McD), do look past what is publicly stated/overt (kid's, kid's coaches word).

I haven't made an argument for or against McD in this thread. If you're going to take every thing I say and make it a for or against the coach, then go ahead, but that's not what I am trying to do.
 
I haven't made an argument for or against McD in this thread. If you're going to take every thing I say and make it a for or against the coach, then go ahead, but that's not what I am trying to do.

You can make that comment carry a little more weight if you ever revisit a thread from 5-6 months ago in which something you said negatively about a coach/player/recruit was proven wrong in a good way (ie: "Brackins is going pro because Mac can't develop players") :wink:
 
Why don't we let this thread do this.


Start a new positive thread please.
 
You can make that comment carry a little more weight if you ever revisit a thread from 5-6 months ago in which something you said negatively about a coach/player/recruit was proven wrong in a good way (ie: "Brackins is going pro because Mac can't develop players") :wink:

I have never said Brackins would go pro because Mac can't develop players. You cannot find a single post where I've said that. If you're going to quote me, quote me. Do not put words in my mouth.

I thought Brackins would go pro because I thought the situation was right (weak draft class= probably drafted in the top 10 = more guarenteed $$$).

Almost every analyst has thought this may not have been the best move career-wise. I guarentee if Craig did not play for ISU, more people on this site would hold the same opinion. That said, he's back and I hope it's worthwhile for him. I am excited to be able to watch him play for another year..
 
I haven't made an argument for or against McD in this thread. If you're going to take every thing I say and make it a for or against the coach, then go ahead, but that's not what I am trying to do.
Oh I know, it has nothing to do with who you are for/against. I am just pointing out how one can plead for a black/white view on one subject, and in another suggest one should look further than what has been presented.
 
I found several places where you thought Brackins was going pro and saw you change your own opinions on it several times (that was my basic point), but couldn't find anything about Mac's development of talent. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth there with that comment, I just know that you have been all over his case and figured that would be something you would throw out with Brackins' decision. I see that I was wrong on the development of talent comment and also actually saw a couple places where you defended him early on last season, so I apologize for my comment being inaccurate.

I still think you are way over the top with your negativity toward Mac and the program, especially with so many things pointing to a good turnaround this year and beyond, but didn't mean to put words in your mouth with his development of players.

He's gone. I'm sure he packed all his stuff last night, and he's hitting the road at Noon....
 
So do you think it would be better for them to say nothing and let him get to campus to find he is out of his league and has no chance for PT? Telling a kid that IF he improves he has a chance for playing time is not an issue in my book...better to be honest with a kid and give them the information necessary for them to get to the level they need to than to blow sunshine up his *** until it becomes obvious that he can't cut it IMO

Actually, what is better is to not be recruiting small school basketball players from Iowa when they are in the 8th grade.

Having said that, recruiting is nothing more than one long episode of "blowing sunshine up the recruit's and his parents' arses".

Call it what you want but McDermott made sure to let Dykstra know that he was not really wanted anymore unless he was willing to meet the demands that he had. Dykstra is playing nice because I'm sure GM said he would help him out in finding another school.

I have no problem with McDermott doing what he did but those of you that were sure GM would never do such a thing are now aware that he will. FYI to all of you...this is big time college athletics...IT IS EAT OR BE EATEN.
 
I found several places where you thought Brackins was going pro and saw you change your own opinions on it several times (that was my basic point), but couldn't find anything about Mac's development of talent. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth there with that comment, I just know that you have been all over his case and figured that would be something you would throw out with Brackins' decision. I see that I was wrong on the development of talent comment and also actually saw a couple places where you defended him early on last season, so I apologize for my comment being inaccurate.

I still think you are way over the top with your negativity toward Mac and the program, especially with so many things pointing to a good turnaround this year and beyond, but didn't mean to put words in your mouth with his development of players.

Regarding Brackins, I was wrong about my guess. At the same time, I have never said I had a source or connection; What kind of damage did I do by being wrong? Worst case, is make a handful of people who don't even know or care about me upset.

IMO, I think the quote you had of me would've been out of line had I said something like "I have a source that tells me Brackins just packed his things. He also said he's planning on hitting the road at Noon".

Regardless, I think the only way I am going to make some of you guys happy is by simply not posting anymore. I won't do that completly, but I am going to cut back a lot. I have other avenues to say how I feel about the basketball program.
 
Actually, what is better is to not be recruiting small school basketball players from Iowa when they are in the 8th grade.

Having said that, recruiting is nothing more than one long episode of "blowing sunshine up the recruit's and his parents' arses".

Call it what you want but McDermott made sure to let Dykstra know that he was not really wanted anymore unless he was willing to meet the demands that he had. Dykstra is playing nice because I'm sure GM said he would help him out in finding another school.

I have no problem with McDermott doing what he did but those of you that were sure GM would never do such a thing are now aware that he will. FYI to all of you...this is big time college athletics...IT IS EAT OR BE EATEN.
McD needs to jump on talent early, and at the time Dykstra was highly ranked. That said, no one has been proven wrong. All we know is that McD is willing to let a kid be on scholarship even if he is not committed to being a Big 12 athlete. Thankfully Dykstra did what is best for both parties. If I was McD I would have pulled the offer.