Are we being to harsh

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  1. WastedTalent

    WastedTalent Well-Known Member

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    I always thought this was a dumb argument. Nobody in college basketball gets fired because they had x number of NBA players, but didn't get to a certain point in the tournament. Please show me the chart that correlates the # of NBA players to tournament finish, and where the fireable line falls within the chart.

    Freaking Bryce Dejean Jones played in the NBA, and I would argue him being on the team caused them to lose in the first round. How does that fit your argument?
     
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  2. Cat Stevens

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    that’s because it’s not true. Just another talking point myth the crewe has evolved into.

    kind of like his 6 man roster his first year full of nba role players was 2011 Kentuckyesque
     
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  3. Blackhawk6515

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    Oh goodie, another thread on the demise of the men's basketball team. This was old about 2 months ago.
     
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  4. madguy30

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    What Johnny did compared to what happened prior to him was very different.

    Larry's last team went to the NIT. I can't remember if he was involved in recruiting Stinson, Blaylock etc. but had he gotten them to buy in to his style, I bet he makes the tourney even their freshman year (03-04).

    If this team were going to the NIT, it would be a really good coaching job.

    ISU doesn't need to make the tourney every year. But being on pace to make it seem like a good accomplishment with players not from the previous staff shouldn't be acceptable.
     
  5. Clonefan32

    Clonefan32 Well-Known Member

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    I would say THT was the only real "surprise" loss, and even that is debatable. With that said, I'm genuinely curious what you think this team is if we had THT? Would still having him make us a tournament team?
     
  6. Stewo

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    If you mean identifying all of his shortcomings into a single post, I agree with you.

    I'm curious though, if you don't blame Prohm for the state of the basketball program, who do you blame? I feel like you were one of those guys defending GMac to the very end. Blaming it on "bad luck" or whatever. Sometimes coaches don't fit at certain schools. It's not all that uncommon to see this issue. I know of at least two of these situations in the Big 12 alone.
     
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  7. Drew0311

    Drew0311 Well-Known Member

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    Stinson and Blalock didn't play for Larry. They played for Wayne
     
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  8. c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s

    c.y.c.l.o.n.e.s Well-Known Member

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    This team could have survived losing 4 borderline NBA players (plus Haliburton) if the players left on the roster lived up to expectations. We have two 4 star recruits and a high 3 star that can barely make it onto the floor on a bad team. If you look at most successful teams that are not blue bloods, you will find rosters built around guys like that. I don't know if it is Prohm's fault for not developing them or their fault for not buying in or the recruiting services fault for overvaluing them but that is the main reason that this season is a flop. Instead of building a team around three talented and highly recruited players, we are trying build a team out of freshmen, transfers and a hard nosed center that has spent the last two seasons rehabbing.
     
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  9. BWRhasnoAC

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    He had a fire lit under his ass and I love it.
     
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    If I remember correctly those two plus Clark were the reason Wayne got the job. We wanted to retain the kids he recruited for obvious reasons.
     
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  11. mdk2isu

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    THT would have solved a lot of the issues this team has had. He can create his own shot. He can guard about any position on the floor. He can hit 3's. I honestly believe if he had stayed, this team is a bubble team.

    With him we probably have these additional wins: @ Oregon State, FAMU, @ TCU, @ Auburn, @ Texas which would put us at 17-11 with 2 very winnable games remaining.
     
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  12. Clonefan32

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    That's probably pretty accurate. Not sure he was enough to get a win @ Auburn, but pretty well agree otherwise.
     
  13. Cyinthenorth

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    It was a battle of who's who in the Big 12 cellar last night. I think the end result doesn't matter as much as the positive strides we saw out of Grill and Jackson, even Griffin in limited time looked pretty good. These guys developing are critical to any success next year. I'd say between Solo, Bolton, Tre, Conditt, Grill and Griffin we have an OK core returning, especially once you throw Johnson into the mix. After a DNP-Coaches Decision, I think the writing is on the wall for Lewis. IF he does come back for his senior year, hopefully he can take a massive stride defensively and contribute, but I honestly just think it would be best for him to move on if he's in a position where he can either grad transfer or get a waiver to play immediately somewhere.

    So, say Lewis is gone and everyone else returns. It is the 7 guys I mentioned above, and the 4 new guys. Plus a couple spots open up (Lewis and Tyrese). If we get one or two guys ready to contribute right away, we could be competitive at the very minimum next year.
     
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  14. mdk2isu

    mdk2isu Well-Known Member

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    We lost that one by 4. I think he make enough of a difference to overcome that. Heck, he might have made enough of a difference that we beat Michigan in Atlantis. That probably doesnt change our record though since we still went 1-2.
     
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    I don't think you realize how hard it is to win in the NCAA tournament. Kentucky had the best team maybe in the history of CBB a few years back and didnt win it all.
     
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  16. CoKane

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    We lost at home to a MEAC team and are setting records for how bad we're getting blown out by good teams. I doubt it's going to get much worse.
     
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    I expect us to be better next year, if we aren't then it will be time for changes.
     
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  18. CoKane

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    I'd swap Texas for Iowa. That seemed to be the point where a lot of people really started to question things.
     
  19. trevn

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    *tu
     
  20. Clonefan32

    Clonefan32 Well-Known Member

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    This is all purely hypothetical, of course, but Auburn was dominate pretty much that whole game. It was more of a teaser rally that made it closer late. But who knows, maybe he does make the difference there.
     

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