McDermott got players too. We clearly aren't at McDermott levels but another year of this crap and we're close.
Are we being to harsh
- Thread starter Drew0311
- Start date
McDermott got players too. We clearly aren't at McDermott levels but another year of this crap and we're close.
For a large portion of the year, the only three point threat on the entire team was Halliburton. Our offense this year was predicated on letting Halliburton dictate the offense and he was doing a phenomenal job of distributing the ball to open shooters but guess what.. we weren't making a single thing. And Solomon right now is a completely different player than he was earlier this year. He was struggling to figure things out and I think that has more to do with him not playing this level of basketball for a year and a half.
Never said they were good, just saying this is a team that wasn't ready for that type of schedule. They have one of the most difficult schedules in the country (I believe it is considered top ten).
People still wouldn't feel great but they may feel a little better say if the team had 3 more wins by replacing the ranked teams with easier wins in the non con and maybe flip that Florida A&M result. Which I guess would be 4 more wins in the non con. They could be looking at an NIT birth. And that would at least be something. This is just trying to look at it under the thread title of are we being too harsh.
They would be 16-12 with a chance to win 1-3 more games and finish at or slightly above season predictions.
Here come the "You shouldn't be an NIT team or in a rebuilding year in year 5" people.
Which really isn't that surprising when you think about how bad his injury was and how much time he has missed.
Good point. Bolton and Jackson really didn't start knocking down threes at a decent clip until conference play.
100%. And it's not because they weren't getting good looks while Halliburton was playing because they were. They both just didn't have a good feel for their shot for whatever reason. Our shooting has been bad, but our offense has not been that bad all year long. Our defense on the other hand has been essentially awful all year long and I think has completely dictated the quality of our offense. Our defense will be much better next year. Whatever Prohm instilled into the minds of Grill and Jackson needs to be instilled in the minds of the freshman coming in. Grill and Jackson have both come a long way defensively this year.
Also, I just wanted to point out what I thought was one of the best defensive moments of the year this year. It isn't Grill's block or his steal, rather it came when a TCU player drove baseline in a key part of the game, pump faked, and not a single ISU guy took the bait. It was a play I've seen probably 100 times this year in which every one of our players would've jumped and tried to block a shot and end up coming down over the top of the offensive player. I believe Solomon and either Grill or Jackson ended up not leaving the ground, and forced a missed layup and a defensive rebound.
GMAC wins per year: 15-14-15-15
Prohm wins per year: 23-24-13-23
This year isn't done so it wasn't included. So you are right.....we aren't to those levels yet. The huge difference right now....is that Prohm has proven, no matter whose players they are.....he can win at ISU. GMAC couldn't have done it with the Olympic dream team. I don't give a crap about Creighton, UNI, Wayne State blah, blah. The man crapped his pants where it counts......here. And then left us with the skid mark to clean up. Fred was probably the only one.....with his unique way, of cleaning the filthy underwear GMAC left ISU. And he left Steve with a good platform. And he has done a good job till now. I give him 17-18 because the gap in recruiting. Whether Fred's fault, Steve's or both.....I don't care. This year for me has been disappointing....but not to the point of putting him in front of a firing squad and saying now or never. If in 365 days however, we are in 8th place getting blown out at home........I more than likely will have to revisit that line of thinking.
This is exactly where I'm at. I want to see effort and organization and there have been major lapses during Steve's tenure, regardless of the amount of talent on the team.
We need 2 more wins to match McDermott's lowest win total... We might not even hit McDermott's level this year, and we had less wins 2 years ago than McDermott's lowest as well. Prohms lows are lower than McDermott's ever were, his highs are just higher than McDermott's ever were either.
Guard play rules college basketball. It's not a bad offense if you have NBA level point guards. But boy does it suck if you don't have NBA level pgs.
Solo and Jacobsen were getting worked early in the season. Conditt was a spark off the bench, but he wasn't the answer either.
Solo took the benching personal, and has since upped his play. He's said so himself. It turned out to be a good move by Prohm, and hopefully Solo continues to improve. If he does, there's no doubt he will be the focal point of the offense beginning next season.
The way they've gotten just absolutely throttled by decent teams including at Hilton isn't convincing me that it's the schedule.
You don't necessarily need an NBA level point guard, but I get what you're saying. You need a guy that can run the show, take good care of the ball, and can still be a threat on the offensive end.
I get your point. It was maybe we don't play Oregon State on the road, but get them at home for the second game of the year. Maybe we don't play in the Bahamas, but play in a tournament like we did in 17-18 where we beat 2 below average teams and then Boise State without a lottery pick. Those are 3 probable wins and we're sitting here at 15-13 instead of 12-16. That's with me still having the FAMU game as a loss because I'm not going to assume that game was anything more than a fluke game.
Exactly, and I think while some people would still be moaning, I don't think there would be quite the freak out if they were heading to at least the NIT instead of staying home.
Also wonder if people would be freaking out as much if Bolton had to redshirt this year. People would have expected them to be pretty bad without him. I think it is clear now too much was put on him being great this year.
Definitely. If we were an NIT team this year, that'd mean we were realistically a couple of games away from the NCAA tournament. Some people would view that as a positive given the circumstances, while some would most likely put blame on Coach Prohm for not being able to win a couple of the close ones that could've gone either way.
I think Bolton is going to be very good by the time he's done. He's a sophomore and isn't going anywhere. He'll continue to get better in the areas needed and will be a prolific part of our team next year and the following.
I think there are certainly reasons for optimism. Ultimately I'd be surprised this to work out long term, but here are the things I think could be exciting for next season:
1. I do like Bolton. He needs to be off the ball though. He will continue to improve and pick his spots. He had a great no look dump off pass to Conditt in the OSU game that I think shows he's starting to get his legs under him.
2. Young has really impressed me. I've always been skeptical of him because his usage is low, and his rebounding numbers are ally low for a guy effectively playing center. I'm also skeptical of his defense but he's done great switching and guarding on the perimeter the last half of the season.
3. I am excited for Dudley/Blackwell to give us a true stretch 4 type players. I think between the two of them they'll at least be effective.
4. I think Jackson and Grill are starting to get a better feel for the game. They'll be better as juniors but will be effective next season.
Reasons I am still pretty pessimistic about next season:
1. We just don't have any stars on this team currently. I don't see anybody even on the 3rd team all conference. Just having a solid team isn't enough.
2. I've got to see it before I believe it when it comes to any semblance of consistent defense is played.
3. I don't know how much the shooting improves next year.
4. The next good immediately eligible late signee by Prohm will be his first. Don't see that happening.
5. IMO no can't miss defensive guru coach is going to walk into this situation.
The team will be better next year. That said, I don't think it will be enough to satisfy anybody but maybe Jamie and that's a scenario I really hope we don't encounter.
1. I do like Bolton. He needs to be off the ball though. He will continue to improve and pick his spots. He had a great no look dump off pass to Conditt in the OSU game that I think shows he's starting to get his legs under him.
2. Young has really impressed me. I've always been skeptical of him because his usage is low, and his rebounding numbers are ally low for a guy effectively playing center. I'm also skeptical of his defense but he's done great switching and guarding on the perimeter the last half of the season.
3. I am excited for Dudley/Blackwell to give us a true stretch 4 type players. I think between the two of them they'll at least be effective.
4. I think Jackson and Grill are starting to get a better feel for the game. They'll be better as juniors but will be effective next season.
Reasons I am still pretty pessimistic about next season:
1. We just don't have any stars on this team currently. I don't see anybody even on the 3rd team all conference. Just having a solid team isn't enough.
2. I've got to see it before I believe it when it comes to any semblance of consistent defense is played.
3. I don't know how much the shooting improves next year.
4. The next good immediately eligible late signee by Prohm will be his first. Don't see that happening.
5. IMO no can't miss defensive guru coach is going to walk into this situation.
The team will be better next year. That said, I don't think it will be enough to satisfy anybody but maybe Jamie and that's a scenario I really hope we don't encounter.
