Yes, if they used it more the offense may be more effective. They could even score on more than two drives a game consistently. We can’t have that!
After some research, I've come around on Dekkers
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The OL stinks, but they’re not the one who sits in the pocket for 10 seconds, unable to read a defense and subsequently throwing it to the other team or taking a sack for a loss of 11 yards.
Dekkers didn’t improve as the year went on and continued to show he can’t read a defense, doesn’t have the ability or confidence to call an audible at the line (we know he has the freedom to do so, a true freshman did it in his relief), and doesn’t know when to tuck it and run.
Dekkers didn’t improve as the year went on and continued to show he can’t read a defense, doesn’t have the ability or confidence to call an audible at the line (we know he has the freedom to do so, a true freshman did it in his relief), and doesn’t know when to tuck it and run.
I really see no way you can judge Dekkers effectively this season. The pass protection from the OL, TEs and FB/HB was a complete disaster. Another reason Brock’s injury hurt. He was incredible in pass protection.
I think a big reason in the difference compared to last year is teams had to limit stunts and twists to obvious passing downs because we had the best RB on the planet, and you can’t create huge lanes by stunting.
Even with Jirehl healthy vs Iowa the OL held up well. Not only having a solid running game, but an RB that was good in all aspects of the passing game.
I think a big reason in the difference compared to last year is teams had to limit stunts and twists to obvious passing downs because we had the best RB on the planet, and you can’t create huge lanes by stunting.
Even with Jirehl healthy vs Iowa the OL held up well. Not only having a solid running game, but an RB that was good in all aspects of the passing game.
Sit in the pocket for 10 seconds didn’t happen too often. And if he did have a lot of time it was only when ISU was blocking +2, meaning it’s really difficult to get guys open.
We’ve had free rushers nearly untouched when +2. We had the DL get home by a count of three when ISU was +2 in pass protection.
I think Dekkers can maybe be good, but it’s impossible to tell. There isn’t a QB in college football that’s going to succeed when you give up pressure consistently when you are +2 in pass protection.
I think JJ will beat him out before his senior year.
If there’s a QB competition, it will be interesting if Kohl or Becht are considered stronger leaders in the locker room. Not saying this is on Dekkers, but the QB often assumes this role. If it’s not him, someone else needs to fill that void.
I was encourage by Becht, minus the throw just behind Stanley that led to one of the pick 6's. He looked pretty poised, given the situation he was thrust into, and it was encouraging to hear that he maybe possesses some intangibles that Hunter doesn't, with regards to leadership. I don't know enough about Dekkers to know if he isn't a good leader, but it sounds like he may not be a very vocal one at the least. Sometimes you need a rah rah guy to get other guys going.
At any rate, the numbers bear out the Hunter was fine for a first year QB. I still maintain that he shouldn't bear too much of the burden for this disastrous season, but also would caveat that by saying I'd be open to them having a competition next season and not just declaring Hunter the starter.
At any rate, the numbers bear out the Hunter was fine for a first year QB. I still maintain that he shouldn't bear too much of the burden for this disastrous season, but also would caveat that by saying I'd be open to them having a competition next season and not just declaring Hunter the starter.
Find my any highlight this season where he had 10 seconds to throw the ball. I am not sure you know how football works, the reason he only throws to X because thats always his first read, and he doesnt really have enough time to go through his progressions. And when he does have time, Stanley and Noel drop the ball. Then once we got inside of the 30 yard line there was almost always a false start or a hold from the offensive line
I would need to go back and look since I don’t watch for this live, but QBs are told that if they see a blitz coming, they need to throw to that location. You also need receivers that adjust routes to that. What I don’t know is if we have had receivers drop into the void but I do know we seldom hot read throw into them. So I can’t say if it’s Dekkers, the receivers, or a combo.
That is also one thing our defensive scheme hides a bit, so you gotta have good film study and know tendencies of the defensive linemen and linebackers. Purdy could read blitzes and did these “IQ” things, right now Dekkers isn’t.
At this point, other than whatever the injury was to Dekkers, I think what ails Dekkers beyond having a functioning OL is between his ears. He has to do better at reading the defense before the snap and making better decisions with the ball. Change plays according to what the Defensive alignment is giving you, as needed.
He seemed to great with this in the first 3 games, and it just went progressively negative as the season went along. How much is his development, how much is it coaching and the approach of the offense? Only those in the program know. They have several months to figure that out, and whomever in the QB room does this best will be the starter next August.
I'm glad we have a few names to choose from, and if it ends up being Dekkers in 2023, I'm fine with that.
He seemed to great with this in the first 3 games, and it just went progressively negative as the season went along. How much is his development, how much is it coaching and the approach of the offense? Only those in the program know. They have several months to figure that out, and whomever in the QB room does this best will be the starter next August.
I'm glad we have a few names to choose from, and if it ends up being Dekkers in 2023, I'm fine with that.
Just guessing here, but with the game already in doubt at the time the injury occurred, I wouldn't be surprised if the coaches just held him out to as a precaution and to get Rocco some reps.
This season is a total wash as far as evaluating Dekkers. The offense is so poorly coordinated, I've seen high school teams with better organization. 11 games in and our TE's and receivers aren't sure where to line up against Tech. This goes beyond Dekkers' faults, of which he has many, it's systemic. The oline isn't good enough, end of story.
Typically a zone defense will use 5 to 7 defenders to cover the pass depending on the exact situation. So you've only got 4 to 6 people left to account for 5 OL, a RB and a QB. If we are able to run the ball, they have to commit more people to run support which puts the WR in more man situations. Man coverage is usually considered a little riskier because if one guy bites on a juke/double move, goes for the ball, slips, etc. it can easily lead to a big play. Zone is more of a bend-don't-break concept in general.
If our WRs can't reliably beat man coverage, the defense is free to send 6+ guys at the LOS every play which makes it hard to block everyone whether running or passing. But it's a chicken-and-egg problem. Ultimately we need to have some way to counter what the defense is doing. And preferably we'd have several ways to do it so we don't become super predictable.
Do our receivers have the ability to get open? That may be part of holding the ball too long. No one to throw to.
10 seconds was an exaggeration (as was taking a sack for a loss of 11 yards) but of course you dweebs took it literal.
The fact of the matter is he struggles to read defenses, doesn’t make good decisions, and didn’t improve as the season went on
I think it was more a case of after the KU game the book was out on the ISU offense. Just rush 3, 4, or occasionally 5, and stunt ad nauseum. With Brock out not only was the running game not going to exploit those lanes created, but the OL couldn't deal with the stunts, the TEs/FB/RBs couldn't figure out when to chip, stay and block or release.
A few things cannot be said enough:
- The pass protection as a whole - not just OL, was completely broken. Aside from Brock the other positions beyond just the OL were completely lost consistently
- It MAY be a talent issue, but it's hard to tell because the execution was so horrible. When a team runs a stunt and we have one and sometimes even two guys looking for someone to block and not blocking anybody, it doesn't matter how talented they are.
- People are confusing getting pressure and getting sacked as meaning there was a blitz or a "hot read" was in order. Many times there was pressure immediately without a blitz, or where ISU had as many blockers, or 1 even 2 more into block than rushed. The blitz/hot read concept is not in play in those cases.
- When Dekkers did have lots of time, it was almost always where ISU had a 2 man advantage in protection. That means there's a huge numbers advantage for the defense in coverage. That means tight windows, which means lots of tipped balls, LBs dropping into zones that are hard for a QB to see, and lots of contested catches.
- While I don't think our WRs are great at beating man coverage, the number of plays where they saw true 0 man was very small. Due to the factors above, the man coverage was usually with some combo zone help, so it was more "leveraged" man, which again, created much smaller windows and is a lot harder to beat.
