A very bad B1G West

[HFCS]

I posted in another thread the Massey composite shows Big 12 as the #1 conference, SEC just slightly behind, then Big Ten a distant third behind those two. That’s with three big ten teams in the top 6….so you know the rest of the conference is a steaming pile of $*** to be ranked as as distant 3rd.

 

[cyclones500]

Yeah it was a weird little era there as KSU dipped, Nebraska continued to fade and everyone else was just average or bad.

Good summary.

Makes it extra-frustrating that ISU couldn't take advantage at least one of '04/'05.

But fans of a lot of the North teams that didn't win the division those years could make a similar claim, balanced mediocrity, so to speak. I suppose it feels more missed-opportunity to us than it would have to NU, CU, KSU during that period.

 

[rochclone]

Man, what does Vegas know that we don't?

Rutgers beat Temple 16-14. Temple is worse than Nevada. That is what Vegas knows.

 

[cayin]

2004 is the mark to beat:

TEAM	CONF	REG	CCG	BOWL	FINAL
Colorado	4-4	7-4	L 42-3 (OU)	W 33-28 (UTEP)	8-5
Iowa State	4-4	6-5		W 17-13 (MIA-O)	7-5
Nebraska	3-5	5-6		none	5-6
Missouri	3-5	5-6		none	5-6
Kansas	2-6	4-7		none	4-7
Kansas State	2-6	4-7		none	4-7

But most of the north did not have the resources the current Big 10 West has. They are getting over 50 mil per school the past few years. The talking heads prop them up and have enough money to get the best facilities, coaches, recruiting budgets etc... What was ISU's recruiting budget in the early 2000s compared to the Big 10 west the past few years?

 

[Kinch]

When they add ND and a few ACC schools they’ll drop the bottom feeders. They’ll do what they need to legally to get it done.

I don't see them having the votes to do that.

 

[brett108]

But somehow worth almost a 100 million per team. B1G is garbage

Thats what always surprises me. Is the SEC worth alot? Yes, the teams are all high level and the games are great. Big10 teams outside of the top 3-4 are as bad as any you will find, and play probably the least attractive form of football. Who wants Iowa/Wisconsin on TV this year?

 

[Clonefan94]

I have been shot down for suggesting that notion.

They aren't kicking anyone out, at least without a better excuse than, "You don't make us enough money." Maybe, if there were some institutional control issues.

Again, imagine being Rutgers and getting booted out because, "You don't have enough value." Yet Pedo St. is still in the conference and looked upon as a gem. There is no way the Big 10 wouldn't get their asses sued off and lose the lawsuits. There has already been talk of anti-trust if they added more from the PAC, imagine if they started kicking teams out.

As I said in my earlier post, if the top teams decide that they need a power league, with no bottom feeders, they will leave their existing conference and form a super league. It avoids the pitfalls of kicking teams out of an existing conference for no other reason that money.

 

[AuH2O]

They aren't kicking anyone out, at least without a better excuse than, "You don't make us enough money." Maybe, if there were some institutional control issues.

Again, imagine being Rutgers and getting booted out because, "You don't have enough value." Yet Pedo St. is still in the conference and looked upon as a gem. There is no way the Big 10 wouldn't get their asses sued off and lose the lawsuits. There has already been talk of anti-trust if they added more from the PAC, imagine if they started kicking teams out.

As I said in my earlier post, if the top teams decide that they need a power league, with no bottom feeders, they will leave their existing conference and form a super league. It avoids the pitfalls of kicking teams out of an existing conference for no other reason that money.

If the losers ever get “kicked out” it will be more like you describe - the top 80% or so of each league will dissolve the conferences, then invite the best outside of the Big 10 and SEC to join.

 

[Rabbuk]

I could see Rutgers getting shut out by iowa. Then it's whether iowa scores enough to cover which I think they do.

 

[cytor]

It's been five years since Iowa last played Ohio State.
In those seasons, Iowa has had a 28-16 conference record. More than half of those wins have come against three teams.
During that time, they are 15-0 against Nebraska, Minnesota and Illinois. (Against every one else they are 13-16).
During that time, Iowa has losing seasons against Purdue (1-4), Northwestern (2-3) and Wisconsin (1-4). Even in a bad, bad, division, Iowa does not have a winning record against a majority of the Big 10 west teams.

And yet the head honcho can get paid $7 mil per, have racism, rhabado, easy schedule... It's a good gig if you can get it!

 

[BryceC]

I posted in another thread the Massey composite shows Big 12 as the #1 conference, SEC just slightly behind, then Big Ten a distant third behind those two. That’s with three big ten teams in the top 6….so you know the rest of the conference is a steaming pile of $*** to be ranked as as distant 3rd.

I really like Sagarin for the conference stuff because they actually list the conferences with divisions by division.

 

[cytor]

Thats what always surprises me. Is the SEC worth alot? Yes, the teams are all high level and the games are great. Big10 teams outside of the top 3-4 are as bad as any you will find, and play probably the least attractive form of football. Who wants Iowa/Wisconsin on TV this year?

The Hoks are already unwatchable.... they should not be allowed on tv, unless they are posting that the programming is a cure for insomnia.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

I could see Rutgers getting shut out by iowa. Then it's whether iowa scores enough to cover which I think they do.

Yeah I don't think Rutgers will be able to score.

 

[BoxsterCy]

As feared by us Twin Cities folk, Gophers have lost their top receiver for the year. Big blow since receiver is their most challenged position IMHO (good defense, great running game, average receivers, average QB). They were able to weather losing the Big 10 best running back last year but they were deep at RB and still scratched out 9 wins.

Gophers top receiver Chris Autman-Bell lost for season

The sixth-year senior suffered a lower-leg injury during Saturday's victory over Colorado.

www.startribune.com

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

As feared by us Twin Cities folk, Gophers have lost their top receiver for the year. Big blow since receiver is their most challenged position IMHO (good defense, great running game, average receivers, average QB). They were able to weather losing the Big 10 best running back last year but they were deep at RB and still scratched out 9 wins.

Gophers top receiver Chris Autman-Bell lost for season

The sixth-year senior suffered a lower-leg injury during Saturday's victory over Colorado.

www.startribune.com

Good god, Iowa is going to fall up hill right into the B1G title game.

 

[madguy30]

Good god, Iowa is going to fall up hill right into the B1G title game.

Oh, well.

The west representative has been so irrelevant in that game.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Iowa is at -7.5 vs Rutgers. That is shocking to me.

I could see it:

Iowa 3
Rutgers -4

 

[keepngoal]

Good god, Iowa is going to fall up hill right into the B1G title game.

And ranked inside the top 15.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

We were at a bar and grill Saturday watching some games. When the rain delay came on, a guy wearing a Hawkeye shirt at the table next to us says "Finally, something exciting to watch."

 

[BoxsterCy]

Good god, Iowa is going to fall up hill right into the B1G title game.

I think they are likely third behind Gophers and Badgers. Gophers have enough to beat the Hawks, starting with a pretty stout defense. Gophers dominated the stats last year (40 minutes time of possession etc) but gave up (of all things) a couple big pass plays to the Hawks and lost by five. Bad news is the now injured Autman-Bell had half the Gophers receiving yards.