5 year record

[jdoggivjc]

How many times has ISU held on to a coach for far longer than we probably should have, especially if we had a higher expectation? Walden, Mccarney, now Rhoads. Thats part of the problem. We set the bar too low and then wait way too long to pull the trigger on waiting to see if thats actually working. This just leaves it that much harder for the next coach.

We also have had multiple 7 or 8 win seasons if you go back to the 70s (skipping the time where we completely ignored our football program altogether) and also in the early 2000s when the season was 12 games instead of 13 (with a bowl)

People seem to be unwilling to comprehend just how much of a failure the 2005 season was. If it wasn't for McCarney's unwillingness to crush the throats of his opponents when he had the chance, ignore the Baylor game, if you just look at the 3 games we lost in overtime (all games we should really have won in regulation), we could have been 10-1 that regular season. Hell - throw in Baylor because, honestly, we should have won that game too - we could have been 11-0 that season. Instead, because "We are Iowa State", we tell ourselves that we should be happy with the 7-4 season that was.

It can be done at Iowa State. The problem is, since we have zero football history, we settle for mediocrity. You still have fans that are saying that Rhoads hasn't been given long enough to turn this program around when, in reality, it has gotten worse every single year under his direction. The more he has to rely on his own recruits, the more he has had to coach up his own players, the worse it has gotten. I don't know why, in year 7, some people still can't realize that Rhoads is in way over his head.

6-6 should be an annual baseline, not a goal. I understand at a place like ISU we're not going to hit that mark every year, and that's fine, but that doesn't change the fact that we as ISU fans should expect better than mediocrity.

 

[twojman]

While I don't disagree, and I know this will be unpopular, but look at how bad last year was and we were literally a few plays away from having 5-6 wins. Literally. A first down vs KSU and strange catch/non catch reversed fumble bs ksu and win. Texas went down to last possession..again. There was another game like this. I'm as ****** as anyone and I'm tired of making excuses but the amount of bad luck and end game execution is lottery winning stuff honestly.

We kicked a game winning field goal against Iowa and beat Toledo without several of their best players by one score at home. We could have been 0-12 in 2014. Don't play the what if crap.

 

[UraMallas]

30-30

One and done.

 

[Gunnerclone]

Exactly how many Bill Snyders are there out there in college football? Lol, your only setting your expectations on probably the greatest turn around ever in college football. I think your confusing possibility with probability.

We'll never know unless we try to find them, and we know 100% that CPR isn't one.

 

[NEICyFan]

While I don't disagree, and I know this will be unpopular, but look at how bad last year was and we were literally a few plays away from having 5-6 wins. Literally. A first down vs KSU and strange catch/non catch reversed fumble bs ksu and win. Texas went down to last possession..again. There was another game like this. I'm as ****** as anyone and I'm tired of making excuses but the amount of bad luck and end game execution is lottery winning stuff honestly.

The reason your post is unpopular is because we were probably closer to 0-12 than 5-7. Our wins were by 1 TD at home against Toledo and on a late FG against Iowa. 2 wins were just about right.

30 and 30 in 5 seasons is acceptable. That's likely 1-2 good seasons, 1 mediocre one and 1-2 not so good.

 

[Wesley]

This is exactly why CPR is still here. Because a majority of fans are ok with mediocrity. Which is not ok

He is here because of his long contract. He snookered us?

 

[dualthreat]

I'd just like to see us get a little bit better every year. Sure there will be ups and downs, but it's pretty obvious when a coach has his team moving in the right direction. The wins may not come right away, but there will be signs early on whether or not the coach is capable of putting a winning team together. Many coaches have the best year they'll ever have in year 2 or 3. Others take 4 to 6 years to get things going if things were really bad.

It's not just about learning a playbook, it's about developing a winning culture and setting a standard for how things will be done. A playbook can be learned in an offseason, a culture change can take years.

The coach has to have a vision for every aspect of the program. Paul did not.

 

[madguy30]

I'd just like to see us get a little bit better every year. Sure there will be ups and downs, but it's pretty obvious when a coach has his team moving in the right direction. The wins may not come right away, but there will be signs early on whether or not the coach is capable of putting a winning team together. Many coaches have the best year they'll ever have in year 2 or 3. Others take 4 to 6 years to get things going if things were really bad.

It's not just about learning a playbook, it's about developing a winning culture and setting a standard for how things will be done. A playbook can be learned in an offseason, a culture change can take years.

The coach has to have a vision for every aspect of the program. Paul did not.

Very well put. I'm still not quite sure what the main purpose is on either side of the ball, and it feels like nearly every other college team I watch is able to know their strengths, and be at least somewhat affective with them.

 

[cyclones500]

My realistic long term goal of where I think we can get to is to be 33-31
That is:

• 1 5-7 season
• 1 6-7 season
• 1 7-6 season with a bowl win
• 1 7-6 season with a bowl loss
• 1 8-5 season with a bowl win

About midway through 2012, that looked a lot like the trajectory Rhoads had going — that type of 5-season stretch is lukewarm, but has a promising path of progress. You can even endure a slight drop-down for a season or two after that (but it should be at least 4-8) as long as it inches upward in the next 5-year cycle.

 

[Althetuna]

Good enough so that when conference realignment comes around again, ISU can make a strong case enough case to stay at the adult's table. (No MWC or MAC)