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I had a thought on Jamby's rant and some other posts in this thread this morning and I thought it was appropriate for election day. I'm only 25, so maybe I'm just romanticizing a time that I wasn't really a part of, but doesn't it seem like there was a time when people took a little bit of pride in being in a town that had good schools and stuff like that, instead of just ******** about everything that took a dime out of their pocket? Are we that much more transitory and solitary of a society now that people can't see any value in something that doesn't directly benefit themselves? Seems like kind of a shame.

No, people like Jamby have always been ****** off that they're getting money taken away from them to make the community better. They just never have had a pulpit before. It's like if you sat outside Parks all day you'd feel that there are a ton of people out there convinced the world will end tomorrow, when in reality, it's just Jesus Socks and he likes to yell.
 
Apparently I'm a glutton for punishment, having both a dog and kids. While the kids cost more, the current dog is definitely more work, although in his defense, we got him from a shelter when he was about four months old and the vet said he had been terribly abused. I found both dogs we've had harder to potty train than all of the boys because they can't talk to you. And at some point, you can and should make your kids help around the house whereas the most you can get out of your dog is to bark at annoying door-to-door politicians and cult nuts.

Making kids do chores reminds me of a good article I saw from some Florida paper about Leonard Johnson. Since he makes league minimum ($390,000) he is living at his mom's in his old twin bed and she makes him do chores such as mopping the kitchen floor. Good mom.
 
I have two teenaged girls that I can barely afford but when I think of them being grown up and gone it can literally make me despondent.

There is no quantifiable parameter to to justify children. If you don't have then you don't understand...it's that simple. Don't even bother trying.
 
Apparently I'm a glutton for punishment, having both a dog and kids. While the kids cost more, the current dog is definitely more work, although in his defense, we got him from a shelter when he was about four months old and the vet said he had been terribly abused. I found both dogs we've had harder to potty train than all of the boys because they can't talk to you. And at some point, you can and should make your kids help around the house whereas the most you can get out of your dog is to bark at annoying door-to-door politicians and cult nuts.

Making kids do chores reminds me of a good article I saw from some Florida paper about Leonard Johnson. Since he makes league minimum ($390,000) he is living at his mom's in his old twin bed and she makes him do chores such as mopping the kitchen floor. Good mom.

Guy couldn't find a decent apartment at $390,000?
 
"Fur babies" makes me want to start stabbing something.

you are not alone.

I want kids someday, and have always known that I do. Why? I don't know. Probably along the lines of what Cyclonepride said on the first page. I grew up on a farm and loved watching the animals grow and change. I imagine that feeling intensifies exponentially when it's your child. Although right now, the thought of labor & delivery with all that postpartum fun is really good at keeping away the baby fever.

I'm sure some people don't feel that need as strongly or at all, so it can be difficult to understand why someone would want that. I know I am really enjoying be young, free of responsibility, and having a little money right now! It'll probably be a few years before my husband and I decide we want to give that up. But the first time I held my niece, it was just an instant feeling of love, protectiveness, and hope. It's a little scary to think how intense that feeling would be when it's my own child and I've seen them more than a half dozen times in their life.

And I, for one, don't mind hearing parents talk about their kids, but then again, I already know that my niece is the smartest, prettiest, best little girl in the whole world, so I'm sure I'll be that annoying mom bragging about her kids on fb too. Oh well, that's what the "unfriend" button is for!
 
you are not alone.

I want kids someday, and have always known that I do. Why? I don't know. Probably along the lines of what Cyclonepride said on the first page. I grew up on a farm and loved watching the animals grow and change. I imagine that feeling intensifies exponentially when it's your child. Although right now, the thought of labor & delivery with all that postpartum fun is really good at keeping away the baby fever.

I'm sure some people don't feel that need as strongly or at all, so it can be difficult to understand why someone would want that. I know I am really enjoying be young, free of responsibility, and having a little money right now! It'll probably be a few years before my husband and I want to give that up. But the first time I held my niece, it was just an instant feeling of love, protectiveness, and hope. It's a little scary to think how intense that feeling would be when it's my own child and I've seen them more than a half dozen times in their life.

And I, for one, don't mind hearing parents talk about their kids, but then again, I already know that my niece is the smartest, prettiest, best little girl in the whole world, so I'm sure I'll be that annoying mom bragging about her kids on fb too. Oh well, that's what the "unfriend" button is for!

I imagine it's very similar...except for the part where you sell the animal to be turned into food. :smile:
 
you are not alone.

I want kids someday, and have always known that I do. Why? I don't know. Probably along the lines of what Cyclonepride said on the first page. I grew up on a farm and loved watching the animals grow and change. I imagine that feeling intensifies exponentially when it's your child. Although right now, the thought of labor & delivery with all that postpartum fun is really good at keeping away the baby fever.

I'm sure some people don't feel that need as strongly or at all, so it can be difficult to understand why someone would want that. I know I am really enjoying be young, free of responsibility, and having a little money right now! It'll probably be a few years before my husband and I decide we want to give that up. But the first time I held my niece, it was just an instant feeling of love, protectiveness, and hope. It's a little scary to think how intense that feeling would be when it's my own child and I've seen them more than a half dozen times in their life.

And I, for one, don't mind hearing parents talk about their kids, but then again, I already know that my niece is the smartest, prettiest, best little girl in the whole world, so I'm sure I'll be that annoying mom bragging about her kids on fb too. Oh well, that's what the "unfriend" button is for!

And I think it's smart of you to enjoy being young and free of responsibility! I really think it's wise not to have children until you're ready - and while there's never a perfect time, there IS a perfect state of mind.
 
I imagine it's very similar...except for the part where you sell the animal to be turned into food. :smile:

LOL! Well we had a dairy farm so we kept them around a bit longer ;) There'd be a good 6+ years of seeing them grow up and have their own babies that I'd raise too. It was always fun to see the offspring display the same little quirks their dams had. We also had horses, cats, and dogs - raising kittens was practically a side business with 4 kids who all loved cats.
 
This month my wife and I are adopting our four fosters. My wife and I have been unable to conceive to this point, but my wife has a strong drive to be a parent..... Going into fostering I'm not sure we were ever necessarily considering adoption, but we fell in love with our foster children and want to give them the best chance at a happy life we can.

I have a friend who adopted several of her children after fostering them and couldn't be happier. It seems like an option that many people overlook or forget about. It sounds like you'be been blessed four times over. Congrats!
 
you are not alone.

I want kids someday, and have always known that I do. Why? I don't know. Probably along the lines of what Cyclonepride said on the first page. I grew up on a farm and loved watching the animals grow and change. I imagine that feeling intensifies exponentially when it's your child. Although right now, I'm sure some people don'tthe thought of labor & delivery with all that postpartum fun is really good at keeping away the baby fever.

The labor part really wasn't that bad. I think health class hypes the pain to discourage us (which is good). The worst part for me was right before the delivery part. I was asking friends about pain meds or not. One told me that the first child she didn't use any and the rest she did. Then she said labor was boring because of that...weird.
 
Apparently I'm a glutton for punishment, having both a dog and kids. While the kids cost more, the current dog is definitely more work...
No way. I've heard that from a few parents. The only scenario where that could be true is if you are taking the worst dog at it's worst and comparing it to good kids that are older.

I've got 2 seats for tonights game and 2 for Fri with Johnnys passes I can't even give away. Used to be easy; email a couple of friends and boom. Now it's all replies of "oh it's past my kids bed time" or "I can't find a babysitter". Meanwhile my dog is at home by itself watching the house while I work and while I'm at these games.
 
The labor part really wasn't that bad. I think health class hypes the pain to discourage us (which is good). The worst part for me was right before the delivery part. I was asking friends about pain meds or not. One told me that the first child she didn't use any and the rest she did. Then she said labor was boring because of that...weird.

I would think boring would be good! We watched the birth video in a psych class in college - discussing afterwards, the professor talked about how his wife almost gave birth in the car on the way to the hospital. She told him that contractions were like really bad period cramps. The female half of the class groaned. I'm a total wuss about that type of pain so it's been great birth control. That and the mesh underwear deal. I've read too many birth stories on another forum I participate in. In the last year, one woman dislocated her hip, another nearly bled to death, and another had really, really bad tearing. Of course they're all like "it's so worth it". I do realize though, that if it were that bad, we'd all be only children.
 
I would think boring would be good! We watched the birth video in a psych class in college - discussing afterwards, the professor talked about how his wife almost gave birth in the car on the way to the hospital. She told him that contractions were like really bad period cramps. The female half of the class groaned. I'm a total wuss about that type of pain so it's been great birth control. That and the mesh underwear deal. I've read too many birth stories on another forum I participate in. In the last year, one woman dislocated her hip, another nearly bled to death, and another had really, really bad tearing. Of course they're all like "it's so worth it". I do realize though, that if it were that bad, we'd all be only children.

Yeah, I had to stop reading things too. We were going to take a class at the hospital designed for new parents. Like what to expect, what sort of illnesses babies get....I vetoed going back after the first class. It was a little to graphic...
 
I would think boring would be good! We watched the birth video in a psych class in college - discussing afterwards, the professor talked about how his wife almost gave birth in the car on the way to the hospital. She told him that contractions were like really bad period cramps. The female half of the class groaned. I'm a total wuss about that type of pain so it's been great birth control. That and the mesh underwear deal. I've read too many birth stories on another forum I participate in. In the last year, one woman dislocated her hip, another nearly bled to death, and another had really, really bad tearing. Of course they're all like "it's so worth it". I do realize though, that if it were that bad, we'd all be only children.

None of those women were revkah-tough. Just saying, there's only one that can make it look that easy.
 
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Yeah, I had to stop reading things too. We were going to take a class at the hospital designed for new parents. Like what to expect, what sort of illnesses babies get....I vetoed going back after the first class. It was a little to graphic...

nothing like terrifying expectant couples!

I love, love, love that tree. I've been following along on the blog and that is just the neatest idea. I'm sure it's going to be the bestest, most beautiful tree on campus :smile:
 
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I was really looking forward to having a little boy, that is why I got 2 girls at the same time instead. Wouldn't trade them for the world but it makes me laugh when I think about it. The wife wanted 3 kids and I just wanted 1. Instant compromise.
 

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