The Odyssey trailer 2 (full trailer)

[dahliaclone]

JFC. All in. I knew this cast was stacked but holy hell. John Leguizamo is basically unrecognizable unless you're looking for him.

Matt Damon
Tom Holland
Charlize Theron
Anne Hathaway
Robert Pattinson
Zendaya
Samantha Morton
Lupita N'yongo
Logan Marshall Green
Jon Bernthal
Mia Goth
Eliot Page
James Remar

 

[bos]

I dunno, I was pumped until I heard some of the modern dialogue like "dad and daddy". Sounds weird for a movie like this. I still want to see it, but my excitement took a hit. I just watched The Return with Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Benoche and it felt more on par. We will see what happens, I guess.

 

[ScottyP]

I dunno, I was pumped until I heard some of the modern dialogue like "dad and daddy". Sounds weird for a movie like this. I still want to see it, but my excitement took a hit. I just watched The Return with Ralph Fiennes and Juliette Benoche and it felt more on par. We will see what happens, I guess.

Agree with this. Some of the dialogue felt weird and didn't fit. The movie is also using a different version of the story than I hoped (author re-wrote it based on her modern interpretation).

It could still be good, but I've reduced my expectations.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Agree with this. Some of the dialogue felt weird and didn't fit. The movie is also using a different version of the story than I hoped (author re-wrote it based on her modern interpretation).

It could still be good, but I've reduced my expectations.

I hate when they take an absolute classic and have the hubris to think that they can improve it with some special spin on their own.

 

[bos]

I'm ok with a smidge of retelling as translation from ancient texts can be tedious for sure, but overall I just was hoping for a different epic feel. I think generally the long standing interpretation was a good one with very good themes that stand the test of time. Could still be very surprised, but Ill try to temper my expectations a bit.

I dont know if I can handle another Argos moment though.

 

[NetflixAndClone]

I'm a huge mythology nerd so I am excited whenever people try to tell the classic, but I'm afraid this movie won't scratch my itch. Just something about the aesthetics takes me out of it. Doesn't feel like the odyssey. I'm not going to bemoan the whole "they should've used Mycenaean Greece armor from the bronze age and is referenced in the stories" but it feels like they couldn't make up their mind if they wanted to remain closer to the source like a Troy or completely redo an adaptation. it mixes too much trying to be classic/hellenistic era with dark knight batman aesthetics.

 

[jcf817]

I hate when they take an absolute classic and have the hubris to think that they can improve it with some special spin on their own.

Is that what they did? Or did they do scholarly research and fix translation errors? How do we know that what we've "known" our entire lives is accurate?

 

[VeloClone]

Is that what they did? Or did they do scholarly research and fix translation errors? How do we know that what we've "known" our entire lives is accurate?

You haven't lived until you've read it in the original Homeric Greek.

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[cydsho]

Geez. Another Hollywood "remake". This was already done 25 years ago with "O Brother, Where Art Thou?"

 

[bos]

Is that what they did? Or did they do scholarly research and fix translation errors? How do we know that what we've "known" our entire lives is accurate?

There are some side by side comparisons between the interpretations, they aren't far off amongst them. But there are some changes that were just odd.

The note below is mostly trivial, but it just seems dumb. It wasnt really necessary as the language previously used wasnt exactly hard to understand.

Modern vernacular (“dad,” “daddy,” “let’s go”) mirrors Wilson’s philosophy that ancient stories should be told in language people actually use.


Its going to throw some folks as they watch it. But it shouldnt hamper the whole thing I would imagine.

 

[jcf817]

There are some side by side comparisons between the interpretations, they aren't far off amongst them. But there are some changes that were just odd.

The note below is mostly trivial, but it just seems dumb. It wasnt really necessary as the language previously used wasnt exactly hard to understand.

Modern vernacular (“dad,” “daddy,” “let’s go”) mirrors Wilson’s philosophy that ancient stories should be told in language people actually use.


Its going to throw some folks as they watch it. But it shouldnt hamper the whole thing I would imagine.

Hearing "dad" really threw me out of the moment in the trailer. I assume it will feel a lot more organic in the actual movie.

 

[Cyclonepride]

Is that what they did? Or did they do scholarly research and fix translation errors? How do we know that what we've "known" our entire lives is accurate?

Hollywood is not where I'd go to find scholarly research

 

[jcf817]

Hollywood is not where I'd go to find scholarly research

I'm talking about the source that was adapted into a screenplay.

 

[pourcyne]

I hate when they take an absolute classic and have the hubris to think that they can improve it with some special spin on their own.

The biggest reason that classics get hashed and re-hashed is because NO COPYRIGHT.

Hello, forty-seventh remake of Pride and Prejudice.

 

[Cyclonepride]

I'm talking about the source that was adapted into a screenplay.

I guess I don't know, but there's not a great track record in changing classics. The most common compromises are to bring in a wider audience or spice them up for the present day in some way, but they are almost always just that, compromises to a great story.

 

[pourcyne]

Hollywood is not where I'd go to find scholarly research

Noooo kidding.

There is not one profession that is not misrepresented in film. Teachers, Doctors, Farmers, you name it. They also play fast and loose with historical facts. I have a friend who often says, "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story." Seems that Hollywood lives by that rule, too.

One exception to the Odyssey blasphemy is "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" It is a fantastic take on Odysseus, Penelope, the Cyclops, the Sirens, the blind prophet (at the radio station), the murder of Helios's cows, and so on. The Coen Broze hit that one right out of the park.

As for language, not one of us here would be able to follow the Homeric Greek the original version was written in.



Now that I think of it, that might have been a guy that used to get drunk every Thursday after class...

 

[jcf817]

I guess I don't know, but there's not a great track record in changing classics. The most common compromises are to bring in a wider audience or spice them up for the present day in some way, but they are almost always just that, compromises to a great story.

My only concern is the reason for the changes. Is it better scholarship, i.e. do we have better translations, etc., or is it agenda-driven? But even a different perspective can make a difference in understanding. I'm not sure I'm that interested in another white man's re-writing of the source material (not adaptation to a different medium).

 

[Cyclonepride]

My only concern is the reason for the changes. Is it better scholarship, i.e. do we have better translations, etc., or is it agenda-driven? But even a different perspective can make a difference in understanding. I'm not sure I'm that interested in another white man's re-writing of the source material (not adaptation to a different medium).

Mine are many, but one that hasn't been mentioned is something like what they did with The Hobbit. Added in a whole bunch of nonsense that detracted from a fantastic story that didn't need any of it.

 

[jcf817]

Mine are many, but one that hasn't been mentioned is something like what they did with The Hobbit. Added in a whole bunch of nonsense that detracted from a fantastic story that didn't need any of it.

Oh...The Hobbit was a mess.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Love me some Nolan.

Love me some high fantasy/mythology.

Love me the source material.

Love me... some... of the cast. Mostly Robert Pattinson, ironically, who has become an excellent character actor after he shook the unfortunate association with Edward and Twilight.

But this trailer doesn't make me think the pieces would hold together.

The definitive version of The Odyssey on film will forever be Oh Brother, Where Art Thou? for so many reasons. And most scholars nowadays think absurdist/comedic is the correct way to read the source material instead of as some tragic war epic in the way one would read The Iliad or The Aeneid.