Ozempic, GLP-1 and other modern diabetes / weight loss medications
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lol was totally fooled googling for a test as in testing something
Sorry just giving you crap.
Chicken shake! When your protein intake is low but your jaws are tired of chewing solid food!
I was taking testosterone supplement from age 50-59, until I was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer and testosterone is the primary fuel for Prostate Cancer. Haven't touched it since, and I definitely noticed a drop in energy and strength (both from no Test+ and from the cancer drugs).
A lot of the stuff I've read indicates that low testosterone is a symptom of other issues, less a cause of issues. Things like poor sleep, poor diet, poor exercise. Those three things lead to all sorts of issues including low testosterone. For example, visceral fat, the fat that surrounds your internal organs, is hormonally active - it actively supresses testosterone production. Those things are also strongly correlated with age, making it look like there is a strong correlation between aging and testosterone.
So taking testosterone for most people is treating a symptom rather than a cause. If it gets those people to be more active, eat better and feel better both physically and mentally, that's what's most important. But they could have done that without the testosterone too.
I'd rather see wider use of GLPs than testosterone. But society seems to be more open to testosterone than GLPs for some reason. (Insert patriarchy bro-sphere argument here)
So taking testosterone for most people is treating a symptom rather than a cause. If it gets those people to be more active, eat better and feel better both physically and mentally, that's what's most important. But they could have done that without the testosterone too.
I'd rather see wider use of GLPs than testosterone. But society seems to be more open to testosterone than GLPs for some reason. (Insert patriarchy bro-sphere argument here)
@SerenityNow You rated this as dumb but gave no reason why. Are you suggesting that all of these people are going to suddenly start working out once they have lost some weight? Is that what your theory is? I know enough people on it to know that is not even remotely true.
Everyone’s testosterone levels are different naturally, the range for what’s “healthy” is quite large and so defining what’s considered low is very inconsistent provider to provider.
Those factors you mention can also play a roll but usually you don’t see a large jump in those numbers with lifestyle changes alone. Your testosterone also naturally declines with age regardless of the levels you were at so for some those declines can be much more noticeable.
There are also many physiological factors that can be at play here as well as psyc factors as well.
TRT is only very recently becoming more acceptable to talk about and due to its misuse it depends a lot in the circles you run in how society will view it. GLP-1 still have the lazy approach which TRT also gets accused of as well especially in the fitness world
Take GLP-1 you’re lazy, take test you’re just trying to be a manly man. An interesting societal view to be sure.
Can I take both to become both a lazy normal guy who has mega man balls/prostate?
Not quite the level of @CYEATHAWK saying once WFH was why obesity is a problem and then said people need to get off their asses, drive their car (sitting the whole time) and get in that cubicle chair and get your 8 hours of sitting at a desk in but it's pretty good.
And that work gets a lot easier when you also aren't fighting the mental load of the food noise. When you're already mentally exhausted from fighting that, it's less likely youll do anything on top of that with traditional weight loss.
GLP (etc) helps with the intake part of the calorie equation. Considering exercise alone to be the reason most people are overweight simply isn't accurate. Not putting the excess calorie into the inefficient machine is much easier than getting that machine to use the calorie. There's calorie burning momentum to be built with additional muscle mass, but GLP suppressing the 'need' to eat is they key.
Interesting to hear that some people's desire to workout increases on these drugs. That's the first time I've seen that.
Absolutely it helps with that side. I think we are seeing it's much more than a simple appetite suppressant though, especially as it shows promise for other dopamine-seeking behaviors
My biggest concern with the TRT is getting it from places outside your normal PCP. Like the place that Williams (and now Hassell) promote on their podcasts. If you think you have a problem, just go talk to your doctor. Or get a referral to an endocrinologist. I also don't think people should be going around their doctor for GLP-1s. There is too much sketchy **** in the health and wellness space, being sold by people whose only goal is to make money. Your PCP is legally bound to look out for your best interests.
How many people do the clinics turn away for having enough T? Probably very few. They'll titrate your levels up to the top of the normal range or until you start having acute side effects. Do they take a history? Do they check other markers to know that the top of the range is right for you? There are places that do all this stuff remotely/by mail. I get that's efficient, but when it comes to my health I want to know I can see that person face-to-face.
Agreed. Obviously it was intended to treat T-II diabetes, which it does very well. Manipulating the receptors seems to have multiple benefits.
