Williams & Blum: Analyzing this week’s bombshell report

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Chris Williams and Brent Blum react to the bombshell report that could put guidelines around NIL and potentially change the college sports landscape. How does it affect Iowa State? All this and more presented by Mechdyne.

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Chris Williams and Brent Blum react to the bombshell report that could put guidelines around NIL and potentially change the college sports landscape. How does it affect Iowa State? All this and more presented by Mechdyne.

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[Cycsk]

I'm starting to think that a super league is unavoidable. When will it be time to cut loose the rest of the college programs and let the few big spenders do what they want?

Not sure that I want us to spend our reserves, add fees on our students, depend on university allocations, or rely on state appropriations . . . just to stay on the fringe of the big spenders.

Is it time to reconfigure the rest of college athletics into a league with reasonable rules, such as transfer limits, true NIL, stipends, salary caps for coaches?

I like our chances to compete for national championships in a league that isn't defined by excessive spending by a few programs. When I listen to Campbell, I hear someone who wants to compete in a league where development of 18 to 22 year olds still matters. Would he be willing to give up salary? He already has passed on better paying opportunities. And in college, he gave up a scholarship to pay tuition and play at a D-3 school.

Yes, it will mean huge changes to revenues, but also expenses. Is there anyone better to figure it out than Pollard?

 

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Chris Williams and Brent Blum react to the bombshell report that could put guidelines around NIL and potentially change the college sports landscape. How does it affect Iowa State? All this and more presented by Mechdyne.

Williams & Blum: Analyzing this week's bombshell report - Cyclone Fanatic

Chris Williams and Brent Blum react to the bombshell report that could put guidelines around NIL and potentially change the college sports landscape. How does it affect Iowa State? All this and more presented by Mechdyne.

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These Chris & Brent podcasts are becoming almost impossible to listen to. Love both of you. But talking over each other mid sentence is excruciating. Chris in my opinion you are the worst offender. Love you both, you each bring different perspectives but stepping on each other is frustrating to listen to.

 

[Cloned4Life]

I'm starting to think that a super league is unavoidable. When will it be time to cut loose the rest of the college programs and let the few big spenders do what they want?

Not sure that I want us to spend our reserves, add fees on our students, depend on university allocations, or rely on state appropriations . . . just to stay on the fringe of the big spenders.

Is it time to reconfigure the rest of college athletics into a league with reasonable rules, such as transfer limits, true NIL, stipends, salary caps for coaches?

I like our chances to compete for national championships in a league that isn't defined by excessive spending by a few programs. When I listen to Campbell, I hear someone who wants to compete in a league where development of 18 to 22 year olds still matters. Would he be willing to give up salary? He already has passed on better paying opportunities. And in college, he gave up a scholarship to pay tuition and play at a D-3 school.

Yes, it will mean huge changes to revenues, but also expenses. Is there anyone better to figure it out than Pollard?

Respectfully, I cannot understand this mindset. At all. At absolutely boggles my mind to see this same ‘thing’ repeated in every one of these types of threads. Nothing would be more devastating than be relegated to a lower competitive tier. I would take being on the “fringe” 1,000,000 times out of 1,000,000. Any other tier is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. And no - in this awful doomsday theoretical scenario - good coaches like CMC and TJ are not sticking around to take massively less money to compete in an irrelevant tier of collegiate athletics.

 

[Jakester]

One of the guests sounds exactly like Rob Gray. I was confused for a good minute.

 

[cykadelic2]

Respectfully, I cannot understand this mindset. At all. At absolutely boggles my mind to see this same ‘thing’ repeated in every one of these types of threads. Nothing would be more devastating than be relegated to a lower competitive tier. I would take being on the “fringe” 1,000,000 times out of 1,000,000. Any other tier is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. And no - in this awful doomsday theoretical scenario - good coaches like CMC and TJ are not sticking around to take massively less money to compete in an irrelevant tier of collegiate athletics.

Agree and I don’t know how someone can conclude an exclusive Super League is probable based on the info discussed in that pod.

 

[Cycsk]

Respectfully, I cannot understand this mindset. At all. At absolutely boggles my mind to see this same ‘thing’ repeated in every one of these types of threads. Nothing would be more devastating than be relegated to a lower competitive tier. I would take being on the “fringe” 1,000,000 times out of 1,000,000. Any other tier is absolutely meaningless and irrelevant. And no - in this awful doomsday theoretical scenario - good coaches like CMC and TJ are not sticking around to take massively less money to compete in an irrelevant tier of collegiate athletics.

Unfortunately, I am skeptical that this legislation and a new agency will actually bring it under control. Thus, it will remain a situation of spending everything we can and still falling short of the big spenders. Regardless of what we want or how much we spend, the Super Spenders will want their own league. I'm just thinking about the "what then."

 

[ClubCy]

Unfortunately, I am skeptical that this legislation and a new agency will actually bring it under control. Thus, it will remain a situation of spending everything we can and still falling short of the big spenders. Regardless of what we want or how much we spend, the Super Spenders will want their own league. I'm just thinking about the "what then."

A super league is not and will not happen unless the networks give them basically a blank check. Which could happen sure but I don’t think we are there yet.

Also to your other post, if there is a super league, there is no “secondary or other league”. Iowa state becomes UNI or South Dakota State. Ames becomes Brookings and Cedar Falls. It would be…..catastrophic for community.

I know some of you take CW as gospel. Listen to him when he pounds the table for the State to intervene and help.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

A super league is not and will not happen unless the networks give them basically a blank check. Which could happen sure but I don’t think we are there yet.

Also to your other post, if there is a super league, there is no “secondary or other league”. Iowa state becomes UNI or South Dakota State. Ames becomes Brookings and Cedar Falls. It would be…..catastrophic for community.

I know some of you take CW as gospel. Listen to him when he pounds the table for the State to intervene and help.

I don’t think it would be as bad as this. You still have nearly a million people within an hour of Ames that are looking for entertainment…and Ames has some of the best facilities in the state. They would have an opportunity to figure things out.

 

[Cycsk]

A super league is not and will not happen unless the networks give them basically a blank check. Which could happen sure but I don’t think we are there yet.

Also to your other post, if there is a super league, there is no “secondary or other league”. Iowa state becomes UNI or South Dakota State. Ames becomes Brookings and Cedar Falls. It would be…..catastrophic for community.

I know some of you take CW as gospel. Listen to him when he pounds the table for the State to intervene and help.

Sure there will still be great college football. Most of the Big 12 (and frankly, most of the Big 10) will get to focus once again on amateur football, albeit with long-overdue modifications, rather than not being able to keep up with the Big Spenders.

I'm really warming up to the idea of playing in a league that has reasonable rules (transfer limits, true NIL, stipends, salary caps for coaches). I think we will do really well in a league where our coaches can focus on developing 18 to 22 year-olds, rather than having constantly to re-recruit against Big Spenders.

 

[cyclo120]

The only hope was government creating a law, and now appears that's not happening anytime soon. Any potential action again Tennessee would create a lawsuit which Tennessee would win. Back to the drawing board, this is a mess.

 

[Trice]

I'm a 20+ year season ticketholder and lifetime fan. I'm also a taxpayer and about to be a tuition payer. I think this talk about the university needing to start subsidizing athletics is going to send me over the edge. Imagine actually believing students should take on more debt to subsidize a for-profit enterprise's 40 years of bad choices.

 

[Aclone]

I'm a 20+ year season ticketholder and lifetime fan. I'm also a taxpayer and about to be a tuition payer. I think this talk about the university needing to start subsidizing athletics is going to send me over the edge. Imagine actually believing students should take on more debt to subsidize a for-profit enterprise's 40 years of bad choices.

I believe their point is that the State should start helping subsidize it, given the overall economic impact.

I may be mishearing.

Also, I’d have to see the numbers on that economic impact. I know football weekends are substantial for Ames merchants, but the last numbers I saw on that were ages ago.

 

[KennyPratt42]

By my back of the napkin math the athletic department pays the University $12m to $13m in tuition every year (~550 student athletes, many of which are out of state students). I would have no issue with the University covering some or even most of that cost in the name of marketing, alumni engagement, and student experience.

 

[CycloneSpinning]

By my back of the napkin math the athletic department pays the University $12m to $13m in tuition every year (~550 student athletes, many of which are out of state students). I would have no issue with the University covering some or even most of that cost in the name of marketing, alumni engagement, and student experience.

There’s no doubt that the university and Ames benefit from Iowa State athletics. I think the question is how does the increased cost of fielding the athletics programs negatively impact the university and city. It’s not like increased spending directly correlates to more business and profits. You could argue that most of these new costs bring little in the way of new revenue. That means people are getting squeezed for more money - namely fans, local businesses, and perhaps just state residents if the state government is going to pay.

In a true NIL setup, the amount money local businesses should have financially benefited from the money spent on athletes. (They would expected a return on their investment.). That’s not where we ended up…

 

[KennyPratt42]

There’s no doubt that the university and Ames benefit from Iowa State athletics. I think the question is how does the increased cost of fielding the athletics programs negatively impact the university and city. It’s not like increased spending directly correlates to more business and profits. You could argue that most of these new costs bring little in the way of new revenue. That means people are getting squeezed for more money - namely fans, local businesses, and perhaps just state residents if the state government is going to pay.

In a true NIL setup, the amount money local businesses should have financially benefited from the money spent on athletes. (They would expected a return on their investment.). That’s not where we ended up…

There are two distinct possibilities that are trying to be avoided. One is being relegated to a lower level of college football (similar to what happened to Washington St. and Oregon St.). The second is while still being at the top level of college football, not having the resources to compete in a meaningful way. Similar to where Iowa St. found itself in the 90s. At that time is was not having adequate facilities, operating budgets, and compensation for coaches (particularly assistants) and now it would be about player compensation and ability to retain coaches. Some people don't fully appreciate the amount of work and progress its taken over decades to get us to the point we are at today.

If either of those scenarios happen it would have a massive impact on the University and Ames area economy. The last estimate I saw from about 5 years ago was that each football weekend has an economic impact to the Ames area of $8.9 million. A drop in enrollment of 5% to 10% directly linked to that type of change and a direct loss to the Ames area economy of over $10 million per year would be pretty conservative estimates. Which doesn't even take into account the losses decreased enrollment would cause.

 

[acoustimac]

Personally…cut off the Big Ten and SEC from the rest of college sports. I doubt the majority of the country wants to watch only the top four teams who are good in each of those two conferences to the omission of all of the other teams. The rest of the country can make a super conference for all sports (perhaps with regional groupings) and refuse to allow any of the teams from those two conferences to compete in any sport outisde of their own conference. No more games against the Big and SEC…let em die from their own greed.

 

[cykadelic2]

Personally…cut off the Big Ten and SEC from the rest of college sports. I doubt the majority of the country wants to watch only the top four teams who are good in each of those two conferences to the omission of all of the other teams. The rest of the country can make a super conference for all sports (perhaps with regional groupings) and refuse to allow any of the teams from those two conferences to compete in any sport outisde of their own conference. No more games against the Big and SEC…let em die from their own greed.

Do you realize that the B10/Fox and SEC/ESPN have already threaten to separate if they weren't given control of CFP format and revenue allocations? And that the B12 and ACC acquiesced because they know that their media payouts would be cut by 75% or so with B10/SEC separation.

So the posters who think that ISU would be better off (or fine) with B10/SEC separation are off their rockers. It would be absolutely devastating to ISU, especially if TOE remains with the B10 in doing so.

 

[FLYINGCYCLONE]

So for the non Big 10 and Sec people, are you going to stop watching their games? Talking about games that don’t mean anything. That covers all but a few games in December and January. Will be interesting to see to see how this plays out.

 

[acoustimac]

Do you realize that the B10/Fox and SEC/ESPN have already threaten to separate if they weren't given control of CFP format and revenue allocations? And that the B12 and ACC acquiesced because they know that their media payouts would be cut by 75% or so with B10/SEC separation.

So the posters who think that ISU would be better off (or fine) with B10/SEC separation are off their rockers. It would be absolutely devastating to ISU, especially if TOE remains with the B10 in doing so.

Yep…under the current narrative that would be true. But if the rest of the football world left them high and dry…they would flounder big time. it would leave them with about four teams in each conference that are currently power teams…and all they would do is play each other. No playoffs, no inter conference games. Meanwhile the rest of the football world has regional competitions, healthy inter regional games and real playoffs. It would swing in our way in a hurry.