2024-2025 MBB computer projections thread

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I thought Arizona was struggling this season compared to expectations. I looked up their schedule and they really don't have that "big" win yet. Then I looked at their conference schedule: they face ISU, Kansas, and Houston one time each, with 2 of those at home. And they haven't played any of them yet.

So I really don't know what to make of Arizona yet. I know the computers like them, but nothing from the final scores/opponents really demonstrates how good they may be.

@Sigmapolis - could you elaborate why the computers think highly of Arizona?
Arizona plays us twice
 

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Agree, think we need to get at least one of those 3 tough road games, maybe 2 to get a number 1 seed.

Win out equals first overall.

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Lose Houston (and probably the most difficult) but win Arizona and Kansas.

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Lose Houston and Phog Allen (nab Arizona, though Arizona/Kansas are very close in the metrics.

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0/3

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Looks like 3/3 or 2/3 give you a good spot for a #1

1/3 probably puts you borderline for #1/#2

0/3 and more on the #2/#3 line
 

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Really curious how the pace affects the efficiency results of of the UCF game. 83 is a ton at home but the game was a lot of quick back and forth and we still won by 25. Probably a good not great efficiency result.
The 2nd half pace, especially the last 10 minutes, was insane. I think UCF wanted as many possessions as they could get to cut into the lead, which was probably a good plan, although desperate.
 
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I agree with the "need" for a signature road win over one of the 3 (AZ, KU, UH), but it is also really important to avoid a repeat of the WVU game. I expect at ASU and at UFC to be challenging. Yes, should win both, but the cbb season includes a lot of emotion and has ups & downs.

Start this next phase with 2 desert wins!
 

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I agree with the "need" for a signature road win over one of the 3 (AZ, KU, UH), but it is also really important to avoid a repeat of the WVU game. I expect at ASU and at UFC to be challenging. Yes, should win both, but the cbb season includes a lot of emotion and has ups & downs.

Start this next phase with 2 desert wins!

I didn't watch last night but someone posted that ASU is long and athletic.

That's the physical kryptonite for ISU, maybe the one thing TJ hasn't quite worked through yet (the trade for smaller shifty guards that can play 1-3 has been a great trade off obviously).
 

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I didn't watch last night but someone posted that ASU is long and athletic.

That's the physical kryptonite for ISU, maybe the one thing TJ hasn't quite worked through yet (the trade for smaller shifty guards that can play 1-3 has been a great trade off obviously).

Reminds me of UCF last year.

They weren't skilled but their length and athleticism were annoying.
 
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Also, those Torvik projections have A LOT of assumptions with over 1/2 the league schedule remaining... SEC is going to eat itself, like the Big 12 has done for the past decade

Right now, we should worry about winning the big 12. No way they don't give the winner a 1 seed. Four Big 12 teams are in the top 10 of the NET, ISU has wins over two already. Win out at home and at worst go 4-3 on the remaining road games.. That gets you, at worst a 2 seed in my opinion, not including any wins in KC during the conference tournament, which we are the favorite to win. Win 2 in KC and you'll be back on the 1 line.
 
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Win out equals first overall.

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Lose Houston (and probably the most difficult) but win Arizona and Kansas.

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Lose Houston and Phog Allen (nab Arizona, though Arizona/Kansas are very close in the metrics.

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0/3

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Looks like 3/3 or 2/3 give you a good spot for a #1

1/3 probably puts you borderline for #1/#2

0/3 and more on the #2/#3 line

I'm surprised Kansas would jump ISU in seeding if ISU finishes 16-4 in conference. What record is KU projected to have?
 

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According to ESPN's BPI, Houston has the hardest remaining schedule for teams contending for a Big 12 title:


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It's good that Houston has the toughest scheduled left of any contender for the conference. The only good win Houston has is WVU. They've lost every really good team they have played. This is why I'm still not convinced that Houston is as elite as people say. @Kansas on Saturday is a good chance to see if Houston is a very good team or not.
 

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1 point per possession defensively. Exactly Average.

I don't think one point per possession is "exactly average."

It's per possession. It's not normalized to one equals the average.

It is just coincidence college and NBA basketball tends to have points per possession in and around the range of one per possession. The convention of looking at things in per 100 possession increments builds on that coincidence (and that NBA games tend to have around 100 possessions per night).
 

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It's good that Houston has the toughest scheduled left of any contender for the conference. The only good win Houston has is WVU. They've lost every really good team they have played. This is why I'm still not convinced that Houston is as elite as people say. @Kansas on Saturday is a good chance to see if Houston is a very good team or not.
Purely on eye test - Houston looks damn tough/good. Struggled against UCF but that was a hard fought battle all the way, and they grinded it out.
 

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Purely on eye test - Houston looks damn tough/good. Struggled against UCF but that was a hard fought battle all the way, and they grinded it out.
I guess I think they’re good but eye test against pretty average at best competition. They’re wins in the league are TCU, OSU, BYU, UCF, KSU, and WVU.

We will know a lot more about them after Saturday.
 
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It's good that Houston has the toughest scheduled left of any contender for the conference. The only good win Houston has is WVU. They've lost every really good team they have played. This is why I'm still not convinced that Houston is as elite as people say. @Kansas on Saturday is a good chance to see if Houston is a very good team or not.

Saturday is must win for KU, Houston will be hungry to silence the doubters (like me)... Should be a great game!

People forget that despite it being categorized as a neutral site game... Houston lost by 5 to Auburn (IN HOUSTON). ISU on the other hand, lost (IN HAWAII) by 2 having only played three Q4 teams prior to that game..
 
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Also, those Torvik projections have A LOT of assumptions with over 1/2 the league schedule remaining... SEC is going to eat itself, like the Big 12 has done for the past decade

Right now, we should worry about winning the big 12. No way they don't give the winner a 1 seed. Four Big 12 teams are in the top 10 of the NET, ISU has wins over two already. Win out at home and at worst go 4-3 on the remaining road games.. That gets you, at worst a 2 seed in my opinion, not including any wins in KC during the conference tournament, which we are the favorite to win. Win 2 in KC and you'll be back on the 1 line.
You said it yourself, there is a lot season left to play. The league champ could have 4 or 5 conference losses. That might not be good enough for a 1 seed. There are just too many variables to predict it that closely right now.

Just win the most important game - the next game.
 
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I agree with the "need" for a signature road win over one of the 3 (AZ, KU, UH), but it is also really important to avoid a repeat of the WVU game. I expect at ASU and at UFC to be challenging. Yes, should win both, but the cbb season includes a lot of emotion and has ups & downs.

Start this next phase with 2 desert wins!
Sounds like that one will be a brawl...