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I’m not complaining whatsoever. Thank you.

I just haven’t had time to read through them yet, but I’m guessing that you didn’t include one important factor.

The Heacock Effect.

Late in the year, one of the DL dropped the offhand comment—and bomb—that “We don’t pass rush as much as fans think we do”.

To support that, I can only add the Woody video where all the DL pushed to the left at the snap—in order to force the QB to the right (his left), where he got cleaned up after he ran for it.

Fans simplify things to “sacks and hurries”. Jon Heacock is working on entirely another level, where the pass defense led the conference—which is the whole point—without tons of sacks.



Thank you for your analysis, sir.
In very large part I agree with this. Heacock is a billion light years ahead of me in terms of understanding. And the injuries were reasons 1,2,3 and probably 4.

The one cavaet we did miss though is that rusher. Myles came in and I think tried to be that guy.


What I will also say is this - I think Jon ( and I could be wrong) I think we wanted to drop 8 for two reasons. And again, the man is so much smarter than me I'm probably way wrong. But defensively speaking.... the reason you'd drop 8 is two fold. Beyond the general "bend but don't break defensive approach" that is.


A) You have a bunch of injuries so bringing pressure is tricky because no you risk getting out of position or just are not that good at it. Its not as simple as bringing people. Yes, if you bring more than they can block, someone's free, but if you bring 4, I could run into Dylan Barrett (when he's healthy) full speed and I'm not going anywhere right now. There's a skill set to blitzing. Part timing, part just skill.


B) The second reason I can think of is this - my strength is my secondary. Especially with injuries that happened to LBs. Therefore, I'm going to drop, and MAKE you to play into my strength.


Now, that only works if we win on 1st and 2nd down, granted. But I think it was two fold, or three fold to go with the bend but don't break in general. Young backers / safeties at times who might get out of position with pressure and might not be good at it and B, trying to force the offense to play to his strengths where as bringing pressure, if you don't get there, can open holes in the secondary, no matter how good.


I have zero fears about the defense long term. I think we do need to find either a DE or LB who can become that 4th rusher in passing downs or help us get a few more TFL's to get the offense behind the sticks but overall, I have absolutely zero concerns regarding the 3-3-5 and our defense.

We had a ton of injuries, had some youth, and had a little bit of a step back defensively because of that. And that did show in a few areas (TFLs, sacks, rush defense) but we also managed to do pretty well against K State's rushing attack. So I have no concerns regarding out ability to once again be towards the top of the Big 12 next year
 
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Dampier? Not all that impressed.
He's vey raw but incredibly athletic. If they stick with the QB run game they tried doing a little at the end of the year, hes a great fit.

If they try a more traditional offense, then no, he's not special
 

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I'm not sure your point. Looking at 247 composite:

Rocco - not a 4 star
Hall - 4 star
Lazard - not recruited by this staff
Noel - not a 4 star
Campos - not recruited by this staff
Orange - 4 star
Foster - not on your list but was a 4 star.. ok but did not live up to 4 star level

In 8 years we've had 2 total 4 stars really live up to the 4 star ranking.
Jirehl Brock was also a 4 star and actually ranked higher than Breece. Another one who didn’t live up to the 4 star hype.
 

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In very large part I agree with this. Heacock is a billion light years ahead of me in terms of understanding. And the injuries were reasons 1,2,3 and probably 4.

The one cavaet we did miss though is that rusher. Myles came in and I think tried to be that guy.


What I will also say is this - I think Jon ( and I could be wrong) I think we wanted to drop 8 for two reasons. And again, the man is so much smarter than me I'm probably way wrong. But defensively speaking.... the reason you'd drop 8 is two fold. Beyond the general "bend but don't break defensive approach" that is.


A) You have a bunch of injuries so bringing pressure is tricky because no you risk getting out of position or just are not that good at it. Its not as simple as bringing people. Yes, if you bring more than they can block, someone's free, but if you bring 4, I could run into Dylan Barrett (when he's healthy) full speed and I'm not going anywhere right now. There's a skill set to blitzing. Part timing, part just skill.


B) The second reason I can think of is this - my strength is my secondary. Especially with injuries that happened to LBs. Therefore, I'm going to drop, and MAKE you to play into my strength.


Now, that only works if we win on 1st and 2nd down, granted. But I think it was two fold, or three fold to go with the bend but don't break in general. Young backers / safeties at times who might get out of position with pressure and might not be good at it and B, trying to force the offense to play to his strengths where as bringing pressure, if you don't get there, can open holes in the secondary, no matter how good.


I have zero fears about the defense long term. I think we do need to find either a DE or LB who can become that 4th rusher in passing downs or help us get a few more TFL's to get the offense behind the sticks but overall, I have absolutely zero concerns regarding the 3-3-5 and our defense.

We had a ton of injuries, had some youth, and had a little bit of a step back defensively because of that. And that did show in a few areas (TFLs, sacks, rush defense) but we also managed to do pretty well against K State's rushing attack. So I have no concerns regarding out ability to once again be towards the top of the Big 12 next year
There was a post I think by @brentblum in a thread earlier this season about how our defense used to rank in the top 30/40 in the nation in TFLs when our defense was really good, but the last 2-3 years that ranking has gotten a lot worse. We definitely haven't had as good of LBs the last few years and injuries this year obviously played a huge part in that, along with not having elite edge rushers like JaQuan Bailey or Will McDonald that can get off blocks quickly.
I will say it was very frustrating hearing this off-season about how ISU was going to run a 4 man front, and then hardly ever seeing that actually happen, like having fewer LBs on the field with how many injuries we had seemed to make a lot of sense, but hard to question Heacock too much with his track record.
 
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There was a post I think by @brentblum in a thread earlier this season about how our defense used to rank in the top 30/40 in the nation in TFLs when our defense was really good, but the last 2-3 years that ranking has gotten a lot worse. We definitely haven't had as good of LBs the last few years and injuries this year obviously played a huge part in that, along with not having elite edge rushers like JaQuan Bailey or Will McDonald that can get off blocks quickly.
I will say it was very frustrating hearing this off-season about how ISU was going to run a 4 man front, and then hardly ever seeing that actually happen, like having fewer LBs on the field with how many injuries we had seemed to make a lot of sense, but hard to question Heacock too much with his track record.
We don't have the depth for a 4 man front, frankly and won't for a while at the least. Even enterring this year, we have "barely" had it with TO and say JR at the 3 technique and Hawk / Orange at the nose and if anyone got hurt, we'd be screwed.
 

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Jirehl Brock was also a 4 star and actually ranked higher than Breece. Another one who didn’t live up to the 4 star hype.
Not entirely sure to it's fair to say Brock didn't live up the hype when he was stuck behind a first round NFL talent for his entire time here. He didn't get his senior year to show us what he was capable of.
 
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Dude... please. I'm not Mike Dikta. But I have spent time in and around football. And you couldn't possibly be more wrong. That is not something you simply do. Like, I don't want to make a 25 page post about how wrong you are, but you are so incredibly wrong but I'll try to keep it short, or relatively with the key points.

1. If it was easy to switch, everyone would who has ever struggled defensively. Both during game and at the end of every season. No one would ever be known for having a defense. Its not.

2. Coached DL at the small college level, HS, etc... I can't begin to explain in short sentences how wrong that statement is. You go from having a 2 gap at nose guard, and even at 4i, to now you have a single gap, go from 4i to 5 technique, which seems similar, but no, not its not. Not at freaking all. You almost need different players to play those techniques. So now you have to re-recruit your entire room. Not that many DT's are good at both two-gapping and one gapping. Very few DE's are good at 4i, spilling, and tacking on doubles as well as setting the edge. And for the most part, the ones that are? They aren't coming to Iowa State.

I could go on.

3. You have to redo your whole line backer room. Instead of them being responsible for scraping and flats to maybe curl or just drops, now you have to teach them how to take on people in the hole, get down field, and they are covering the under neath hole to hook to curl.


You... just no. Just... no. Its incredibly hard. Which is exactly why no one really does it.
The biggest issue this season on defense was injuries. The LB’s were decimated and the DL had injuries too. I have no doubt the defense will be better at stopping the run and getting pressure next year.
Sometimes run fits were there but no tackle was made and sometimes young LB’s took the wrong gap and gave up long runs. EVERYBODY has a gap responsibility and they must trust each other to do their job. It’s easy to say, but when the damn gaps move during the play experience is needed.
 

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He's already graduated from ISU.

Look at the LB room, other than Ellis there are 9 kids who got snaps in varying degrees. Can't blame Ellis if he wants to continue his education and increase his snaps.
Ughhh, Jacob Ellis was one of the few linebackers who produced well this year. He had 4.5 tackles for loss and could rush the passer.

I'm not going to panic, but I would panic a lot of its a lot of the same with no talent infusion. I've been on record as saying we cannot count on Willich and Bacon to stay healthy b/c they've both had a history of knee issues. We need extra guys, or had better hope we have some guys coming in and off redshirts who can help.

I feel like Will Hawthorne will play early some, Cael Brezina would start, we still need two other impact players. We need a quality DE in the worst way. Our pass rush was a wet fart this year.