Williams & Blum today- FB attendance

[StevieISU23]

115 Tickets Available as of this AM- (Roughly)

Per me trying to count to little blue dots on the ticketmaster site map.....

 

[VeloClone]

I've attended all of the Cyclone home football games (and numerous away games) for decades.

We get a lot of enjoyment out of game day, but the older I get, the harder it is for me to keep justifying the amount of money my wife and I are spending (equivalent to approximately $500 per game) to sit through a 4 hour game; in weather that is too hot, too cold, or too wet; sitting on an uncomfortable bleacher; and rubbing my body up against strangers whose butts are half in my seat space.

Each year, I start thinking this will be my last. One of these years, it will be.

You could always downgrade your Cyclone Club donation and move to cheaper seats...

 

[ajspatio19]

Nobody wants to pull money out of the growing stock market.

I personally open a line of credit against my portfolio to buy tickets. Have to make sure I account for the $12 corndog too.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

I generally agree with your whole post, but I wanted to address just the above sentence:

Calling their home schedule a "little better" is really underplaying how much better it is than ours. I'd kill to have those schools come to Ames. And even though they're garbage by every metric, Northwestern is another team in a neighboring state, which matters at least a bit in these things. We literally don't share a border with any team we play at home this season, and they have 3 such teams, plus the in-state rival coming to town.

ISU can do nothing about the physical make up of the conference. Yes it would be better having Mizzu and other bordering state schools coming to JTS, but KSU, TT and others are just as good as Wisconsin and Nebraska on the field this season. If we were coming off the last 20 years of success on the field that EIU has had, we would not be worried about selling out games, no matter who we were playing. Keep winning and we will get there, having OU and UT leave the conference might just be exactly what ISU needs to start having those type of seasons all the time.

 

[cycloneman003]

I was curious about the prior sell outs since the expansion to 61,500 capacity so dug a little bit more. It's fairly interesting. Has happened 15 times. All 5 home games vs Iowa and 4 of 6 home games vs UNI since expansion (60,629 in 2016 and 58,248 in 2023 for UNI). Kind of throw those out as the attendance is high for obivous reasons for those in state games.

That gives us 6 sellouts for non-in state opponents. 3 Ok State, 2 Texas and 1 Kansas. 4 of these games against ranked opposition.

2017 - Nov 11th - #15 Oklahoma State vs. #21 Iowa State
2019 - Oct 26th - NR Oklahoma State vs. #23 Iowa State
2021 - Oct 23rd - #8 Oklahoma State vs. NR Iowa State
2021 - Nov 6th - NR Texas vs. NR Iowa State
2023 - Nov 4th - #21 Kansas vs. NR Iowa State
2023 - Nov 18th - #7 Texas vs. NR Iowa State

So each of those had a unique component to it. Texas (always a big draw), ranked opposition or ranked Iowa State team. Also the earliest of those games was October 23rd. So we've never had a non-UNI/Iowa sellout before October 23rd. I'd say harvest effect is definitely real there, as late Sept and into October are the absolute bussiest weeks for harvest.

All that taken into consideration, if we get these last few tickets sold for a full 61,500 sell out (I just counted only 85 up on ticketmaster), that's actually something that hasn't really occured before. Selling out a game against an unranked opponent that isn't a naturally big draw this early in the season, right in the thick of harvest.

 

[wonkadog]

115 Tickets Available as of this AM- (Roughly)

Per me trying to count to little blue dots on the ticketmaster site map.....

Just a pathetic showing for us as fans for this game I tell ya.....

Just so sick of this splitting hairs. It's full.

 

[burn587]

Just a pathetic showing for us as fans for this game I tell ya.....

Just so sick of this splitting hairs. It's full.

We can call it a sellout, because I’m sure the AD will pull a Nebraska and donate the remaining tickets.

 

[cyIclSoneU]

After all this consternation there is basically no chance we don’t announce 61,500 attendance.

 

[drlove]

While I agree, I think this is definitely more true for basketball than football. Basketball has a lot more constant action, even with the timeouts, and its half the time commitment.

I prefer basketball and feel like football is more than 2x the time commitment when you have to consider all the time that goes with tailgating/parking. Scheduling for football is also a deterrent in my view. not knowing game time until inside 2 weeks is a problem.

 

[beentherebefore]

I was curious about the prior sell outs since the expansion to 61,500 capacity so dug a little bit more. It's fairly interesting. Has happened 15 times. All 5 home games vs Iowa and 4 of 6 home games vs UNI since expansion (60,629 in 2016 and 58,248 in 2023 for UNI). Kind of throw those out as the attendance is high for obivous reasons for those in state games.

That gives us 6 sellouts for non-in state opponents. 3 Ok State, 2 Texas and 1 Kansas. 4 of these games against ranked opposition.

2017 - Nov 11th - #15 Oklahoma State vs. #21 Iowa State
2019 - Oct 26th - NR Oklahoma State vs. #23 Iowa State
2021 - Oct 23rd - #8 Oklahoma State vs. NR Iowa State
2021 - Nov 6th - NR Texas vs. NR Iowa State
2023 - Nov 4th - #21 Kansas vs. NR Iowa State
2023 - Nov 18th - #7 Texas vs. NR Iowa State

So each of those had a unique component to it. Texas (always a big draw), ranked opposition or ranked Iowa State team. Also the earliest of those games was October 23rd. So we've never had a non-UNI/Iowa sellout before October 23rd. I'd say harvest effect is definitely real there, as late Sept and into October are the absolute bussiest weeks for harvest.

All that taken into consideration, if we get these last few tickets sold for a full 61,500 sell out (I just counted only 85 up on ticketmaster), that's actually something that hasn't really occured before. Selling out a game against an unranked opponent that isn't a naturally big draw this early in the season, right in the thick of harvest.

And as an earlier poster mentioned, all those sellout games occurred in years when Iowa played at JTS. More season tickets are sold those years. Lots of times folks buy tickets during those years and never attend any games other than the Iowa game. They may or may not sell those tickets to other people, but those tickets do count as "sold" and count toward every other game's attendance.

 

[cycloneman003]

And as an earlier poster mentioned, all those sellout games occurred in years when Iowa played at JTS. More season tickets are sold those years. Lots of times folks buy tickets during those years and never attend any games other than the Iowa game. They may or may not sell those tickets to other people, but those tickets do count as "sold" and count toward every other game's attendance.

Adding to the fact that selling this game out would be fan support at a level that hasn’t been previously matched.

 

[StevieISU23]

38 Tickets Available as of Friday Noon- (Roughly)

Per me trying to count to little blue dots on the ticketmaster site map.....

 

[jctisu]

Cool, so you got nothing. Like I said, to say it had no effect is ignorant. I'm not arguing the impact is great, but there is an impact even if there is just "ten people who actually didn’t get tickets due to that".

To add my two cents, I stopped getting season tickets years ago and haven't been to a game in Ames since the 2021 OSU game. My reasoning is my group of friends mostly have stopped going as they have grown up and had kids, and the fact that the experience watching on TV is becoming much better then being there in person.

Each of the last four seasons I've attended a road game and made a weekend trip out of it to experience some other cities, and it's been pretty awesome. Will possibly do Utah this year depending on how the next few weeks go. Definitely will be at the KU game as well since I live 13 miles from Arrowhead.

I provided actual facts just above the post to you. You have to read.

 

[jctisu]

A few issues here.

Most of the seasons you mentioned were after we expanded, so they will of course be higher than previous, especially the years we didnt count the hills.

Second all the years you mentioned but 1 are years CyHawk was home. That is a huge bump in season ticket sales just to get that game.

But overall ISUs ticket sales have not had a have not been completely dependant on production of the team. Although I would suggest actual attendance by season ticket holders and single game ticket sales take a hit on years we have not performed well.

And we don’t have the Iowa game at home this year so that impacts attendance and season tickets more than most factors. Soooo yet again losing to two G5 schools still hasn’t been proven to impact season ticket sales.

 

[jctisu]

Cool, so you got nothing. Like I said, to say it had no effect is ignorant. I'm not arguing the impact is great, but there is an impact even if there is just "ten people who actually didn’t get tickets due to that".

To add my two cents, I stopped getting season tickets years ago and haven't been to a game in Ames since the 2021 OSU game. My reasoning is my group of friends mostly have stopped going as they have grown up and had kids, and the fact that the experience watching on TV is becoming much better then being there in person.

Each of the last four seasons I've attended a road game and made a weekend trip out of it to experience some other cities, and it's been pretty awesome. Will possibly do Utah this year depending on how the next few weeks go. Definitely will be at the KU game as well since I live 13 miles from Arrowhead.

So 10 people is an impact to you? Fully realizing that’s a made up number without proof I tossed out there. But the point is very few people will not get season tickets or attend games because we lost to a G5 school the year before.

You actually listed out a couple of big factors in your post. TV experience at home is phenomenal, especially if you want to keep track/watch other college football games. Kids make going to a game hard and it’s more expensive.

Your statement was just wrong about G5 teams but you keep digging in.

 

[jctisu]

I was curious about the prior sell outs since the expansion to 61,500 capacity so dug a little bit more. It's fairly interesting. Has happened 15 times. All 5 home games vs Iowa and 4 of 6 home games vs UNI since expansion (60,629 in 2016 and 58,248 in 2023 for UNI). Kind of throw those out as the attendance is high for obivous reasons for those in state games.

That gives us 6 sellouts for non-in state opponents. 3 Ok State, 2 Texas and 1 Kansas. 4 of these games against ranked opposition.

2017 - Nov 11th - #15 Oklahoma State vs. #21 Iowa State
2019 - Oct 26th - NR Oklahoma State vs. #23 Iowa State
2021 - Oct 23rd - #8 Oklahoma State vs. NR Iowa State
2021 - Nov 6th - NR Texas vs. NR Iowa State
2023 - Nov 4th - #21 Kansas vs. NR Iowa State
2023 - Nov 18th - #7 Texas vs. NR Iowa State

So each of those had a unique component to it. Texas (always a big draw), ranked opposition or ranked Iowa State team. Also the earliest of those games was October 23rd. So we've never had a non-UNI/Iowa sellout before October 23rd. I'd say harvest effect is definitely real there, as late Sept and into October are the absolute bussiest weeks for harvest.

All that taken into consideration, if we get these last few tickets sold for a full 61,500 sell out (I just counted only 85 up on ticketmaster), that's actually something that hasn't really occured before. Selling out a game against an unranked opponent that isn't a naturally big draw this early in the season, right in the thick of harvest.

Actual facts. Nice work here and fun to see.

 

[Statefan10]

Cool, so you got nothing. Like I said, to say it had no effect is ignorant. I'm not arguing the impact is great, but there is an impact even if there is just "ten people who actually didn’t get tickets due to that".

To add my two cents, I stopped getting season tickets years ago and haven't been to a game in Ames since the 2021 OSU game. My reasoning is my group of friends mostly have stopped going as they have grown up and had kids, and the fact that the experience watching on TV is becoming much better then being there in person.

Each of the last four seasons I've attended a road game and made a weekend trip out of it to experience some other cities, and it's been pretty awesome. Will possibly do Utah this year depending on how the next few weeks go. Definitely will be at the KU game as well since I live 13 miles from Arrowhead.

10 people not renewing their season tickets is not an impact it's definitely factored in that there will be "x" amount of people who drop per year and "x" amount of people who will decide they want to step up and buy season tickets who did not previously have them. Also, I'll be an ass and say it.. If you dropped your season tickets for the SOLE REASON we lost to Ohio in the third game of the year and then lost to a solid Memphis team in Memphis in a bowl game, you're not a true fan. Should we have won those games? Certainly. I'm not even going to bother throwing in an excuse. But to base your reasoning on that is incredibly irrational and fair weathered.

I bet you the number of people who did that is incredibly small. Now, those who've stated they didn't renew due to other reasons, whether that be lifestyle choice, money, time, etc, that's fine. Those are very reasonable decisions and no one should fault them for choosing to make that decision. I mean, just take a look through this thread and although some are arguing that some people might've chosen to drop them because of those losses, no one here has actually said they have. They've given other solid reasons.

Hell, you remember the ISU fan calling for Campbell's head who went viral on social media? I saw him the first game of the year. Lol

 

[jctisu]

10 people not renewing their season tickets is not an impact it's definitely factored in that there will be "x" amount of people who drop per year and "x" amount of people who will decide they want to step up and buy season tickets who did not previously have them. Also, I'll be an ass and say it.. If you dropped your season tickets for the SOLE REASON we lost to Ohio in the third game of the year and then lost to a solid Memphis team in Memphis in a bowl game, you're not a true fan. Should we have won those games? Certainly. I'm not even going to bother throwing in an excuse. But to base your reasoning on that is incredibly irrational and fair weathered.

I bet you the number of people who did that is incredibly small. Now, those who've stated they didn't renew due to other reasons, whether that be lifestyle choice, money, time, etc, that's fine. Those are very reasonable decisions and no one should fault them for choosing to make that decision. I mean, just take a look through this thread and although some are arguing that some people might've chosen to drop them because of those losses, no one here has actually said they have. They've given other solid reasons.

Hell, you remember the ISU fan calling for Campbell's head who went viral on social media? I saw him the first game of the year. Lol

Couldn’t agree with this more. Well said. Well freaking said.

 

[clonedude]

This really is a non issue. ISU fans consistently support their teams better than 90% of the rest of the country.

If that level of support is no longer enough to survive in this climate of greed today.. then so be it. NOBODY can complain about the support that this fan base puts forth year in and year out.

 

[cycloneworld]

I think the P2 and television networks are much much much more at fault for what's to come than NIL. And, regardless, NIL was going to happen no matter what, because disallowing it in the first place was 100% illegal.

If the other conferences and TV networks had the good of the sport in mind in any way, all schools in major conferences would be much better equipped to handle it

Maybe I'm the exception but I'd rather watch us win games at home with a lighter schedule of lesser opponents than play the Texas' and Oklahoma's repeatedly. We will be favored in EVERY home game this year, most by 2 scores. People would rather watch us get beat (most of the time) by Texas and Oklahoma than watch us beat Baylor and Texas Tech? Not me.