Williams & Blum: The Florida State / Clemson conversation

[werdnamanhill]

I haven’t been paying attention to this…. so what would everyone put the chances on the Big 12 adding FSU and Clemson right now?

50/50. either it happens or it doesn't.

 

[Clonedogg]

I thought they were a take back in 2011, but I think WV ended up being the choice, which was fine. They'd fit.

Eventually getting Pitt would be a good add.

In 2011 we should of added WVU, TCU, Louisville, and BYU, and gotten back to 12. Although, the schedules with 10 were awesome for those years.

 

[ForeverIowan]

I haven’t been paying attention to this…. so what would everyone put the chances on the Big 12 adding FSU and Clemson right now?

A lot of smoke. Some "experts" in the field saying it will happen within the next year.

Nothing says a Big 12 game like Florida State @ Arizona State and nothing screams Big Ten like UCLA @ Rutgers.

When oh when are the high powers going to get involved and say enough is enough. 12 geographical conferences consisting of 8 teams. Winner of each conference gets a bid to playoff. Give us Iowa State, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Mizzou. I promise viewership and fan interest would go through the damn roof. Plenty of $ to go around. If there needs to be some kind of weighted revenue distribution to keep the Ohio States and Texas of the world happy so be it.

 

[isucy86]

I just do not get excited by Syracuse. A basketball school that is not good at basketball, and does not care about football, in a state that only cares about pro sports.

There's a big difference in how rabid a population has to be regarding college sports between a state like NY with 20M people and states like Iowa with 3M people.

Syracuse wouldn't be among the top half of ACC prospects for me. But basing realignment prospects on current ranking of their hoops team is silly. Realignment is about TV money. So what's important is, how do TV execs value Syracuse among ACC realignment prospects.

And TV execs might even go further in creating their value proposition- where does Syracuse fit among ACC realignment candidates AND maybe even the 16 current Big12 members.

Attendance isn't the end-all in judging a schools fan interest, but I feel there is a strong correlation. During a "not good" 2023/24 season where the Orangeman finished with a 20-12 record, they averaged 20,288 fans per game.

 

[CascadeClone]

A lot of smoke. Some "experts" in the field saying it will happen within the next year.

Nothing says a Big 12 game like Florida State @ Arizona State and nothing screams Big Ten like UCLA @ Rutgers.

When oh when are the high powers going to get involved and say enough is enough. 12 geographical conferences consisting of 8 teams. Winner of each conference gets a bid to playoff. Give us Iowa State, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Kansas, Kansas State, Nebraska, Mizzou. I promise viewership and fan interest would go through the damn roof. Plenty of $ to go around. If there needs to be some kind of weighted revenue distribution to keep the Ohio States and Texas of the world happy so be it.

What high powers?

The only high powers now are dollars from media companies, period. The NCAA is a blind, deaf, and neutered wiener dog.

The only way it could get geographically realigned, is if private equity (e.g. the Saudis or similar) came in with $20B to spread around, and created a superleague and a triple-A division. Literally the only way it could happen, unless one of us is elected dictator-for-life.

 

[ForeverIowan]

What high powers?

The only high powers now are dollars from media companies, period. The NCAA is a blind, deaf, and neutered wiener dog.

The only way it could get geographically realigned, is if private equity (e.g. the Saudis or similar) came in with $20B to spread around, and created a superleague and a triple-A division. Literally the only way it could happen, unless one of us is elected dictator-for-life.

The United States Government. Dead serious.

 

[cykadelic2]

What high powers?

The only high powers now are dollars from media companies, period. The NCAA is a blind, deaf, and neutered wiener dog.

The only way it could get geographically realigned, is if private equity (e.g. the Saudis or similar) came in with $20B to spread around, and created a superleague and a triple-A division. Literally the only way it could happen, unless one of us is elected dictator-for-life.

If there are multiple ACC schools financially devastated like Oregon St and Washington St were with additional realignment prior to finalizing the House Settlement, the CST Superleague or something similar could come into play as part of that settlement process. The Syracuse President is on the CST Executive Board. The Superleague would have 7 10-team conferences primarily based on historical geographical alignment with players being paid directly and managed NIL/Portal. This is, by far, the best solution on multiple counts and would give control of the sport back to the schools and new governing body instead of ESPN and Fox:

 

[Kinch]

some president who gives a rip about title 9 might step in. Might.

 

[Cyclonsin]

some president who gives a rip about title 9 might step in. Might.

That ship hasn't just sailed, it's lost at sea.

 

[NorthCyd]

If there are multiple ACC schools financially devastated like Oregon St and Washington St were with additional realignment prior to finalizing the House Settlement, the CST Superleague or something similar could come into play as part of that settlement process. The Syracuse President is on the CST Executive Board. The Superleague would have 7 10-team conferences primarily based on historical geographical alignment with players being paid directly and managed NIL/Portal. This is, by far, the best solution on multiple counts and would give control of the sport back to the schools and new governing body instead of ESPN and Fox:

Great idea but it will never happen. B1G especially will never do it. They have their heads too far up their butts about all their "traditions". None of these schools or conferences have ever worried about the greater good of the sport, and I don't see why they would now.

 

[Cyclonsin]

If there are multiple ACC schools financially devastated like Oregon St and Washington St were with additional realignment prior to finalizing the House Settlement, the CST Superleague or something similar could come into play as part of that settlement process. The Syracuse President is on the CST Executive Board. The Superleague would have 7 10-team conferences primarily based on historical geographical alignment with players being paid directly and managed NIL/Portal. This is, by far, the best solution on multiple counts and would give control of the sport back to the schools and new governing body instead of ESPN and Fox:

In this article it talks about how the SEC, B1G, and XII have all declined to hear the presentation and the AAC and MW are likely not interested without more access (which they won't get).

This whole concept is dead on arrival and feels like it's the ACC's last desperate attempt at saving all their teams.

 

[cyclones500]

In this article it talks about how the SEC, B1G, and XII have all declined to hear the presentation and the AAC and MW are likely not interested without more access (which they won't get).

This whole concept is dead on arrival and feels like it's the ACC's last desperate attempt at saving all their teams.

Pretty much agree.

And when I saw "promotion and relegation," I almost stopped reading.

 

[AuH2O]

some president who gives a rip about title 9 might step in. Might.

What do mean by this. Title IX isn’t an NCAA or athletics thing. As long as Universities are providing scholarship or direct payments for collegiate athletics, it is a federal law they have to care about.

Any super league, NCAA breakaway doesn’t get around that. The only possible related thing that might is if the league and teams are spin-off organizations altogether that license university names, mascots, etc from the schools.

 

[isucy86]

Any super league with 70 teams is a participation trophy league.

Any talk of sharing in the spoils is bound to end up with 3 tiers of football teams among the 130 D1 programs. And the elite tier will comprise the smallest group.

 

[SolarGarlic]

Regarding CW's annoyance that fans get more excited about an article from The Athletic than local guys, part of the excitement is because the national guys are usually stronger writers that tell stories with better narratives. A lot of articles we see from local guys are short updates from the local scrums, not 30,000-foot profiles on the program as a whole taken from several sources. When it comes to The Athletic, they usually get good quotes from Campbell. It's akin to watching a nonconference game on ESPN+ compared to a national game on ABC. Of course one is more exciting than the other.

 

[cykadelic2]

In this article it talks about how the SEC, B1G, and XII have all declined to hear the presentation and the AAC and MW are likely not interested without more access (which they won't get).

This whole concept is dead on arrival and feels like it's the ACC's last desperate attempt at saving all their teams.

The SEC and B10 won't acknowledge talks with CST because they don't want to piss off ESPN and Fox; the SEC and B10 are their puppets. Both conferences are well aware that the CST SuperLeague has merit due to a variety of financial, legal and political reasons. President Gordon Gee of WVU is on the CST Board so the B12 is well versed on the CST merits and Yormark is playing the political game with ESPN and Fox as well. And it has been reported that a reason why the CFP TV deal extension was hastily made with ESPN as the sole bidder was ESPN/CFP/B10/SEC fear of the CST concept gaining more traction.

If there are ACC schools relegated before House is settled & signed off on, the relegation of those schools likely becomes an impediment to settlement.

 

[cykadelic2]

Any super league with 70 teams is a participation trophy league.

What the heck do you mean by that? If you read the Athletic re' CST, not sure how you came up with that conclusion.

 

[Kinch]

What do mean by this. Title IX isn’t an NCAA or athletics thing. As long as Universities are providing scholarship or direct payments for collegiate athletics, it is a federal law they have to care about.

Any super league, NCAA breakaway doesn’t get around that. The only possible related thing that might is if the league and teams are spin-off organizations altogether that license university names, mascots, etc from the schools.

With college athletes on cusp of revenue-sharing, there are Title IX questions that must be answered

The athlete pay system looming for college sports will bring questions about Title IX, the federal law that prohibits sex discrimination for schools that receive federal funds.

apnews.com

 

[isucy86]

The SEC and B10 won't acknowledge talks with CST because they don't want to piss off ESPN and Fox; the SEC and B10 are their puppets. Both conferences are well aware that the CST SuperLeague has merit due to a variety of financial, legal and political reasons. President Gordon Gee of WVU is on the CST Board so the B12 is well versed on the CST merits and Yormark is playing the political game with ESPN and Fox as well. And it has been reported that a reason why the CFP TV deal extension was hastily made with ESPN as the sole bidder was ESPN/CFP/B10/SEC fear of the CST concept gaining more traction.

If there are ACC schools relegated before House is settled signed off on, the relegation of those schools likely becomes an impediment to settlement.

I have a tough time believing there is any traction to a 70 team super league. Unless, there is unequal TV money sharing. There is zero chance top 20 teams will accept equal money.

Greed will drive decisions.

 

[cykadelic2]

I have a tough time believing there is any traction to a 70 team super league. Unless, there is unequal TV money sharing. There is zero chance top 20 teams will accept equal money.

Greed will drive decisions.

The Athletic article stated CST will include unequal revenue sharing, presumably based on TV ratings. Most of the pie would be shared equally and like 30%-40% would be unequally shared.