Adding those 2 should also increase the CFP payout. The current formula takes prior CFP appearances for the last decade into consideration but they only count the current conference for that team (SEC gets to count OU and Texas appearances; Big 10 gets Oregon and Washington’s). If they follow that, it would mean Big 12 would have 9 appearances and ACC would have 0. (Currently we are getting less of a share because we only have 2 and ACC has 7). That extra money along with being able to negotiate our next contract earlier could be a significant win overall.
Williams & Blum: The Florida State / Clemson conversation
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It's 2. They could do to the rump of the ACC what they wanted to do to the Hateful 8. They'd save $200-250M per year, and could put some of that into the Big12 contract, and still come out ahead.
You forgot UNC and UVa if you are talking bball.
As much as I am on the bball train, if Clemson & FSU go B1G, and SEC stands pat, and ND stays ND...
Then the ACC would survive. They will be a bit worse for the money, but UNC, NCST, VT, LV, Duke, Mia are more than enough to anchor that conference. I don't think you could scare 4 of those to jump like you scared the Mountain 4 - the PAC only had 2 schools as anchors in UO/UW and they wanted out bad.
Yup. FOX would be willing to pay for B12 additions to kill the ACC and force ND hand into joining the BIG. Plus, they’d get UNC and UVA if they want them. I don’t know that the SEC or ESPN would sit still. May lead to SEC taking Clemson and FSU and we get the middle tier of the ACC like we did the P12.
Whatever it takes to kill the ACC… get ESPN to decline the option. If ESPN picks up the ACC through 2036, it’s difficult to see the Big 12 surviving as-is past the current deal
Unequal revenue sharing for FSU/CU? Fine. First add a Louisville type? Fine
I’m biased, but why would ESPN pick up the ACC option? They can walk and get most of the 17 schools cheaply
Unequal revenue sharing for FSU/CU? Fine. First add a Louisville type? Fine
I’m biased, but why would ESPN pick up the ACC option? They can walk and get most of the 17 schools cheaply
I'm not sue Pitt, louisville, VT, or nc state would remain in an acc without UNC, UVA , fsu, and clemson. Not when they could rejoin with WVU, and be part of an eastern pod. Louisville is a long-term rival of Cincinatti. WVU v VT and Pitt are rivalry games that draw big eyeballs always.
The networks should pay to add those schools and dump the ACC remains. One thing I know for certain, UNC will be fought over by the BIG and SEC. they wont be stuck.
The networks should pay to add those schools and dump the ACC remains. One thing I know for certain, UNC will be fought over by the BIG and SEC. they wont be stuck.
Personally, I would love if the B1G took ND+NC, the SEC stood pat, and Big12 went large and took 8 teams to go to 24.
FSU, Clemson, and then 6 more - NCST, Duke, VT, LV, Pitt, UVa.
Big 12 fb is still going to be good enough that programs who don’t go all out will get crushed. In American, independent or dropping fb they can just prioritize what they are. Assuming Big East is where the bball and non fb sports go.
Here are my tires for ACC schools I'd want to join the B12:
UNC, UVA, Duke, Stanford, Cal are not on this list because they would never join due to academic prestige concerns imo.
Tier 1 (Reaches): FSU, Clemson
Tier 2 (Solid adds): NC State, VTech, Louisville, Pitt, Miami
Tier 3 (Decent backup options): SMU, Wake, GTech
Tier 4 (These do nothing for me): Syracuse, Boston College
UNC, UVA, Duke, Stanford, Cal are not on this list because they would never join due to academic prestige concerns imo.
Tier 1 (Reaches): FSU, Clemson
Tier 2 (Solid adds): NC State, VTech, Louisville, Pitt, Miami
Tier 3 (Decent backup options): SMU, Wake, GTech
Tier 4 (These do nothing for me): Syracuse, Boston College
I'd really like Louisville in the Big 12. They have demonstrated they are committed to spending what it takes to improve and be successful. They also make sense geographically with Cincy and WVU. When their basketball team returns to relevance, they'd only solidify the Big 12 as the best basketball conference in the country.
It is ineveitable the ACC falls apart. With all the smoke it sounds like it could happen quickly.
It seems apparent Florida does not want FSU and South Carolina does not want Clemson in the SEC. Likely does not make financial sense for the SEC to add them anyway.
I think one major question is does the Big 10 want North Carolina and Virginia?
If not, I'd love the see the Big 12 add the "top 8" from the ACC and cement their southeastern footprint. Expand to a 24 team conference and call it a day. FSU, Clemson, Miami, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, VTech.
Best hoops conference by a country mile and a football conference we can compete for championships in year in and year out.
It seems apparent Florida does not want FSU and South Carolina does not want Clemson in the SEC. Likely does not make financial sense for the SEC to add them anyway.
I think one major question is does the Big 10 want North Carolina and Virginia?
If not, I'd love the see the Big 12 add the "top 8" from the ACC and cement their southeastern footprint. Expand to a 24 team conference and call it a day. FSU, Clemson, Miami, Duke, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, VTech.
Best hoops conference by a country mile and a football conference we can compete for championships in year in and year out.
I agree with your “not likely to happen” list - unless cards fall in an unforeseen direction (UNC/UVa off the board for sure).
For the remainder, if it’s 4 tiers, I’d do it this way. Listed alphabetically within each, not specifically order of preference.
Tier 1: Clemson, FSU (same as yours)
Tier 2: N.C. State, Pitt, Virginia Tech
Tier 3: Georgia Tech, Louisville, Miami
Tier 4: Boston College, SMU, Syracuse, Wake Forest
I would be probably settle on 3 tiers and have GT/Syracuse in Tier 2. I think it's splitting hairs to differentiate those two from the five schools you list in Tier 2. They may be at the end of the pecking order based on on-field results the last few years, but IMO the TV folks would value the markets GT and Syracuse would bring Big12 visibility to.
Don't see much value to SMU (already 4 Texas teams with 1 in Dallas ara), Wake (small private school) or BC.
I would also take exception to your academics comment. If schools like Duke, Stanford, Cal, UNC or UVA plan on having BCS football go-forward, they will jump at a chance to join Big12 or SEC. Those schools have traditionally been in conferences (Pac12/ACC) with schools that are less than academic stalwarts.
I thought they were a take back in 2011, but I think WV ended up being the choice, which was fine. They'd fit.
Eventually getting Pitt would be a good add.
I just do not get excited by Syracuse. A basketball school that is not good at basketball, and does not care about football, in a state that only cares about pro sports.
