When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?

[MJ271]

Peeps do seem quite interested in hybrids until the charging station infrastructure improves/catches up. "Gifting" this piece so CF folks should able able to open it. I thought it was a fair take, acknowledges the politics of it but also people legit concerns in the short-term.

Hybrids offer some of the benefits of electric vehicles — lower fuel costs, less pollution — but don’t trigger Americans’ anxieties about charging.

https://wapo.st/3x41D9l

Thanks for sharing the article. A lot of it makes sense, and I agree with the sentiment of it. That being said, I feel like there might be some overreaction about the EV numbers. For instance, I don't think their takeaway from this graph that hybrids are clearly preferred is very accurate. More than anything, it just shows that EVs started off 2024 really poorly. Maybe that'll stick, but we don't know that for certain yet. Outside of early 2024, the graph also shows that EVs were able to catch up to hybrids since 2020, but that's not mentioned as a trend.

 

[simply1]

If I actually lived near the mountains where I go backpacking that's the car I'd have for sure. Electric car for driving around doing errands, then a jeep to drive to trailheads/light off roading.

But because I drive about 200 miles to get there I passed on it for a model that got way better highway mpg.

Yeah it’s a tough calculation. I can get into the mountains and trails/forest roads quicker than that, but my prime fishing is 2 hours away.

 

[HFCS]

The other problem is many people don’t actually charge their PHEV.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60383277/wltp-phev-data-gap-report/

That is not me at all, for me it's almost a contest of if I can get a second ev range charge in the same day. One time i charged 3 times in one day with just a regular outlet.

I get how some people are like that...but for me it's a flashing neon sign $1.20 gas knowing the gas station across the street is $6.00 gas.

 

[BoxsterCy]

I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it almost seems as if the car manufacturers lagging behind are planting these fears in the minds of American consumers. American consumers are getting it from all sides. Many of the politicians, most salespeople, the manufacturers, FB friends who have never owned or driven an EV, media, unions, etc. All that concern and 93% of EV owners will stick with an EV for their next vehicle. I really hope this doesn't slow down the new EV models that are coming to market. I'd love to be able to have more selection.

Don't think that's really conspiracy like of you at all. Not like big business doesn't engage all of the time in trying to manipulate the marketplace.

 

[dmclone]

Thanks for sharing the article. A lot of it makes sense, and I agree with the sentiment of it. That being said, I feel like there might be some overreaction about the EV numbers. For instance, I don't think their takeaway from this graph that hybrids are clearly preferred is very accurate. More than anything, it just shows that EVs started off 2024 really poorly. Maybe that'll stick, but we don't know that for certain yet. Outside of early 2024, the graph also shows that EVs were able to catch up to hybrids since 2020, but that's not mentioned as a trend.

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I think you're correct. Also a big factor is that the $7,500 tax credit along with a huge price decrease on the best selling car in the world(Tesla Model Y) happened at the start of 2023. Look at that huge jump at the start of 2023. In 2023, the model Y made up 33% of all U.S. EV sales. This is why my wife put a cyclone sticker on her window. Driving a white model Y makes driving a camry feel exotic.

 

[simply1]

That is not me at all, for me it's almost a contest of if I can get a second ev range charge in the same day. One time i charged 3 times in one day with just a regular outlet.

I get how some people are like that...but for me it's a flashing neon sign $1.20 gas knowing the gas station across the street is $6.00 gas.

Yeah, I plug in whenever I can. Again I can’t go into all electric mode all the time due to oil refresh. Annoying.

 

[MJ271]

I think you're correct. Also a big factor is that the $7,500 tax credit along with a huge price decrease on the best selling car in the world(Tesla Model Y) happened at the start of 2023. Look at that huge jump at the start of 2023. In 2023, the model Y made up 33% of all U.S. EV sales. This is why my wife put a cyclone sticker on her window. Driving a white model Y makes driving a camry feel exotic.

Yeah, I definitely agree that the various federal and state programs can be notable factors in the data, too. It's possible for the general attitudes towards EVs or desire to purchase EVs to not really change, but at the same time, the actual sales figures changing because of a tax credit going into effect or ending.

 

[CycloneEggie]

Wife and I both have PHEV. We love them. She travels from Ankeny to Altoona or Urbandale about 3-5 x a week and plugs in every day when she gets back. I work from home and can do almost all of my driving even to Des Moines/West Des Moines on one charge and plug in when I get back. THE PHEV can charge to full charge overnight using regular plug in outlets. We have saved a ton of money on gas and really don't see a huge uptick in the home electric bill. I think I'm on about 3 months of not needing to buy gas, and obviously if we take a longer trip we use gas mode.

I actually wish more places like Hotels just had an outlet in the parking lot to charge up overnight.

 

[mramseyISU]

The other problem is many people don’t actually charge their PHEV.

https://www.autoweek.com/news/a60383277/wltp-phev-data-gap-report/

That's more of an indictment against the owners than it is on a PHEV though. It's not the car's fault it's owned by a moron. There're are definitely some drawbacks to a PHEV like one more system to fail and the extra weight but being owned by a dumbass shouldn't be one of them.

 

[simply1]

That's more of an indictment against the owners than it is on a PHEV though. It's not the car's fault it's owned by a moron. There're are definitely some drawbacks to a PHEV like one more system to fail and the extra weight but being owned by a dumbass shouldn't be one of them.

Unfortunately dumbasses have to be considered when making policy. Those people would be better pressed to go all electric or a standard hybrid.

 

[dmclone]

I live in a sheltered world. I can't tell you the last time my phone was below 20%, I've never ran out of gas in my lifetime, I'm always on time, like planning in advance, etc. I forget that there are a ton of people (in my family) that never sweat by constantly living on the edge in everything they do. For those people, EV's could be a hard transition.

For example, my MIL will drive two hours to see us and when she arrives her phone battery is dead. "Why didn't you plug it in on the way down here?"...."Because it wasn't dead yet"......OMG I DON'T KNOW HOW I'VE DEALT WITH THIS WOMAN FOR 30 YEARS

 

[CascadeClone]

Thanks for sharing the article. A lot of it makes sense, and I agree with the sentiment of it. That being said, I feel like there might be some overreaction about the EV numbers. For instance, I don't think their takeaway from this graph that hybrids are clearly preferred is very accurate. More than anything, it just shows that EVs started off 2024 really poorly. Maybe that'll stick, but we don't know that for certain yet. Outside of early 2024, the graph also shows that EVs were able to catch up to hybrids since 2020, but that's not mentioned as a trend.

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So for hybrids, EVs, and PHEVs - for simplicity let's call those "electric" -- 4 years ago it was ~5%, and now it's closer to 20%? In just 4 years? Overall, that seems like a strong trend. (surprised hybrids are so small, would have thought just Priuses would have been >2% lol)

People seem to think it's going to happen overnight, or else it never will. That's not how it goes. It took cell phones ~25 years to go from zero to ubiquitous. And those are 2 orders of magnitude cheaper and easier to buy/own. Plus its never going to be 100%, because there is a good size market segment that EV's may never be suited for. It will probably be 30% by 2030, 40% by 2040 etc. And still arguing over charging stations lol.

 

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[NWICY]

Saw a blacked out Cyber truck on the interstate today going the other way. If it has Iowa plates, he is eligible for the too much tint on the windows ticket.

 

[nfrine]

Saw a blacked out Cyber truck on the interstate today going the other way. If it has Iowa plates, he is eligible for the too much tint on the windows ticket.

Probably doesn't want to have anyone seeing them driving such an ugly vehicle...

 

[BigTurk]

I happened to see a Ford Lightning and a Cybertruck parked right next to each other on my block today. I've seen them both around a lot but not right together, maybe a neighbor.

I'm not a full size truck guy but I did imagine to myself if I was going to take one of these on one of my backpacking/hiking/camping trips how fun the Lightning would be and I honestly think I'd feel embarrassed taking the Cybertruck on looks alone. Maybe that's shallow or irrational but just being honest with myself. I'd feel a little awkward driving it around LA and really awkward taking it out into the wild.

It got me thinking standing there next to it physically for the first time, if the Cybertruck is this revolutionary efficient design, how many years/months until some Tesla sedans and crossovers all should look like this?

I do believe Ford is planning a Maverick Lightning variant. Sign me up!

 

[BigTurk]

Wife and I both have PHEV. We love them. She travels from Ankeny to Altoona or Urbandale about 3-5 x a week and plugs in every day when she gets back. I work from home and can do almost all of my driving even to Des Moines/West Des Moines on one charge and plug in when I get back. THE PHEV can charge to full charge overnight using regular plug in outlets. We have saved a ton of money on gas and really don't see a huge uptick in the home electric bill. I think I'm on about 3 months of not needing to buy gas, and obviously if we take a longer trip we use gas mode.

I actually wish more places like Hotels just had an outlet in the parking lot to charge up overnight.

What are your vehicles?

 

[HFCS]

I do believe Ford is planning a Maverick Lightning variant. Sign me up!

It already looks so much like a Rivian or vice versa.

 

[cycloneworld]

Wife and I both have PHEV. We love them. She travels from Ankeny to Altoona or Urbandale about 3-5 x a week and plugs in every day when she gets back. I work from home and can do almost all of my driving even to Des Moines/West Des Moines on one charge and plug in when I get back. THE PHEV can charge to full charge overnight using regular plug in outlets. We have saved a ton of money on gas and really don't see a huge uptick in the home electric bill. I think I'm on about 3 months of not needing to buy gas, and obviously if we take a longer trip we use gas mode.

I actually wish more places like Hotels just had an outlet in the parking lot to charge up overnight.

I’m very similar. I have a Jeep Wrangler 4xe and just looked at my recent mileage - over 1,000 miles on battery and still have a half a tank of gas. Outside of a longer road trip, I get gas about once every 2 months even though I drive around 25 miles per day.

The biggest surprise for me was the negligible impact on my electricity bill. I charge it every day and my electric bill is basically the same as it was pre-PHEV.

Loved the idea of a full EV but the charging infrastructure in central Iowa just isn’t there yet. I’m very happy with the PHEV decision.

 

[BoxsterCy]

I do believe Ford is planning a Maverick Lightning variant. Sign me up!

My cousin has a Mustang EV and a Lightning EV. He'd probably love the small combo version.