Michigan

[goody2012]

I don't buy the narrative that it didn't give them an advantage, because other wise it's a convoluted and expensive waste of money for something you are alleging you can apparently do for free from broadcasts.

Coaches will do anything for even a tiny advantage...

 

[isucy86]

But I am saying he is going to a whole bunch of out of town games. That aint cheap. Unless his parents are rich and paying for all the trips and tickets.

He wasn't going to the games. The ESPN articles mentions he provided the tickets to 3 other people to attend games.

So the question is how much was discussed between Stalions and people videoing. And then knowledge of other Michigan staffers.

 

[CoachHines3]

When you look at his salary, look at the cost of the tickets, and (possibly) look at what those people were getting paid (maybe a great ticket to a Michigan game was enough to get them to go and take/send video) there is no ******* way this tool was doing this all on his own. Like I said above, either Michigan funded directly or indirectly (via insane coaching salaries) the operation.

Well if he's using his salary to purchase tickets, yes Michigan is technically "supporting" it lol.

i have a major porn addiction problem and i pay $500/month to subscribe to different porn website and i use my salary to fund that. doesnt mean my work supports my porn addiciton!

 

[isufbcurt]

Well if he's using his salary to purchase tickets, yes Michigan is technically "supporting" it lol.

i have a major porn addiction problem and i pay $500/month to subscribe to different porn website and i use my salary to fund that. doesnt mean my work supports my porn addiciton!

Your employer also sponsored your wife's boobs

You work for a dirty company

 

[Jer]

I hate that NCAA hasn't adopted 2 really easy things.

1 - Reviews from booth or offsite rather than taking forever coordinating on the field with the mini monitor they have.

2 - Moving to headset communication. The stupid signs and curtains on the sidelines to call in plays should have ended a decade ago.

 

[06_CY]

Well if he's using his salary to purchase tickets, yes Michigan is technically "supporting" it lol.

i have a major porn addiction problem and i pay $500/month to subscribe to different porn website and i use my salary to fund that. doesnt mean my work supports my porn addiciton!

What if you have it on the conference room tv during the lunch hour?

 

[isufbcurt]

What if you have it on the conference room tv during the lunch hour?

Instead of Fox news on the public TVs it's Brazzers Network

 

[CoachHines3]

What if you have it on the conference room tv during the lunch hour?

lunch hour is alone time no one come into my office !

 

[ZRF]

Well if he's using his salary to purchase tickets, yes Michigan is technically "supporting" it lol.

i have a major porn addiction problem and i pay $500/month to subscribe to different porn website and i use my salary to fund that. doesnt mean my work supports my porn addiciton!

He's only making 55k a year, officially. I'm talking about the other coaches, dummy. The ones that are making high 6 figures and 7 figures. The ones that could easily hand the guy a wad of cash and keep this completely off the books.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

He's only making 55k a year, officially. I'm talking about the other coaches, dummy. The ones that are making high 6 figures and 7 figures. The ones that could easily hand the guy a wad of cash and keep this completely off the books.

There is zero indication or even an allegation that has happened at this point though.

 

[CoachHines3]

He's only making 55k a year, officially. I'm talking about the other coaches, dummy. The ones that are making high 6 figures and 7 figures. The ones that could easily hand the guy a wad of cash and keep this completely off the books.

point still stands

an employee using employer funds (salary) doesnt make the employer necessarily guilty, dummy

 

[Clonefan32]

I don't even care what practical effect it had on the games. It's bold and brazen cheating. They didn't even attempt to hide it. You've got the guy standing next to Harbaugh with a damn sheet of signals. It should be punished.

 

[CoachHines3]

I don't even care what practical effect it had on the games. It's bold and brazen cheating. They didn't even attempt to hide it. You've got the guy standing next to Harbaugh with a damn sheet of signals. It should be punished.

every team on one sideline has a sheet of what signal means what for the opposing sideline.

 

[3TrueFans]

There is zero indication or even an allegation that has happened at this point though.

What level of employee has to know about it for it to be cheating?

 

[Clonefan32]

every team on one sideline has a sheet of what signal means what for the opposing sideline.

But you have a very obvious trail of them doing the blatantly illegal act of sending people to do in-person scouting for this reason.

Again, could other teams probably figure out ways to steal signs? Sure. But it's brazen cheating for him to do what he did. There's no real ambiguity there.

 

[3TrueFans]

every team on one sideline has a sheet of what signal means what for the opposing sideline.

Are all of those sheets obtained through methods that are against the rules though?

 

[cyfanatic13]

this guy was buying the tickets, not Michigan.

maybe it comes out that michigan was funneling the money to him, i don't know but as it stands this guy was doing it on his own, basically.

You think the guy spending thousands upon thousand on a $55K a year salary was doing this on his own? Seriously?

 

[CoachHines3]

Are all of those sheets obtained through methods that are against the rules though?

im not denying they broke the rules.

im saying this isn't as big as an advantage as everyone is making it out to be.

 

[isucy86]

still dont see how its cheating

teams know if its a pass/run based off of how they line up. these coaches watch enough film as it is to understand what is coming or could be coming just based off of how they linup, the motion involved, whose on the field.. etc..

ive seen it a million times where a team on offense will change the play and you can see the defense change their call too because they know whats coming.

this is all over blown, imo.

Well he is (he was suspended with pay) an employee of Michigan football, he was giving other people tickets to future Michigan opponents and they were taking sideline video with camera.

The NCAA has rules against in person scouting of future opponents and use of technology to do so. So breaking 2 NCAA rules qualifies as cheating in my book.

If reports that some low level staffer is then standing by Michigan's DC or OC during games. Sounds fishy.

Sure down, distance and formation are good indicators of run/pass. But maybe only a certain percent. So what if Stalions' sign stealing can take that run/pass knowledge from 60 to 85 percent. That's a big deal.

The fact that he bought 37 tickets means one of two things to me:

1. He broke the code and could steal play calls. The fact he was buying tickets for possible in-season playoff opponents, seems to back this up.
2. He was still in proof of concept phase.

Since Harbaugh is accountable for ALL football employees- not good for him based on recent suspension.

 

[CoachHines3]

You think the guy spending thousands upon thousand on a $55K a year salary was doing this on his own? Seriously?

do i think that? no. but have we heard otherwise? no

I'm sure there are other staffers that were involved.

Do I think the AD or Harbaugh was giving this dude a manila envelope of hard cash to go buy tickets to spy on opponents? No.

does harbaugh have a "lack of institutionally control"? yes, we already knew that.