God forbid people discuss the actual cause.
WVU Eliminating Degree Programs-Future of Higher Ed
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Can't...cave. People elect their legistlators, and those legislators decide what gets funded. What is your explanation?
C'mon you guys with the dumb button, what's the reason?????
It's hard to know how many fools will pay 250K for something of similar value they can get for 100k. There must be some or a lot of private schools wouldn't exist.
For the kids with free college I guess knock themselves out if mom and dad like that choice, for students paying their own way with loans I would hope none are considering an average school priced like that. Almost to the point where there should be some regulation that doesn't even allow them to finance that with loans if there's a similar product at a drastically lower price available.
250k or 100k is immoral in a 1st world country.
I know you really only meant this as an "aside" comment in a thread talking about costs.. but hey, I want to fight back against this opinion a little bit. I graduated with a music education degree from Iowa State.
I absolutely took jazz pedagogy, the course. Well, it was actually a combined methods course for jazz and marching bands, because those two are absolutely practical and necessary for preparation as an instrumental music educator in the state of Iowa.
For both instrumental and vocal music degree programs, piano courses are required... because piano is a practical skill for those who are going to be teaching music, based on the history and traditions of music education in this state.
Composition was a class available to those looking for performance degrees. Believe it or not, creating and writing music for orchestral ensembles is incredibly difficult and complicated. Most professional, performing musicians have to know at least the basics of arranging and writing, and frankly, most music teachers need those skills as well.
Jazz Pedagogy isn't a major at ISU, but music ed and music performance ARE majors. courses like class piano, jazz pedagogy (when I was there it was marching and jazz methods), and music composition are absolutely valuable, and it WOULD be a loss if they disappeared.
When it comes to music majors, the music education programs are often considered the most "practical" because they're the ones with clear career paths outside of higher education/research. Iowa law requires schools to offer music courses. I hope I don't have to convince you, or anyone else, of the value of music in primary and secondary schools, but that's a whole other bundle of kittens to unpack...
It's not even fiscally responsible especially putting top students through that, when you look at the opportunity cost of where their earnings will go in their 20s and 30s.
I don't think any other developed country does it. We're succeeding in spite of that burden...if we are succeeding.
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I haven't "dumbed" any posts, but I think we both know that "hey let's cut funding to the public universities in the state of Iowa" isn't exactly the stump speech for many state-level politicians.
It's not terribly uncommon for a party to not be representative of what collectively people want.
**edit** didn't realize that this was "off-topic" and not cave.. changing it a bit to reflect that.
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And what direction would that be? Let me guess “LiBeRaL iNdOcTrInAtiOn”
KidSilverhair
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I do, but I cannot match the resources the state of Iowa has to promote higher education. I realize not everyone can qualify or have the desire to invest their time an energy in education. Those people should be able to find jobs and make a decent quality of life if they are willing to commit themselves to their profession.
But those people are not going to be the ones that advance the technology and science and standard of living that our economy relies on to grow and compete with the rest of the world.
I was told part of my last donation to the Foundation went to educate a student in the college of Agriculture and their research in plant genetics. Know nothing of the field, and, while my ancestors were farmers, I am lost on an ag operation, but it made me feel proud that I was a help to this graduate student and possibly she would be a help to the future of mankind. That type of research is only done at 4yr. + institutions, like ISU.
This is dumb because you are looking at funding and not the inflated price.
The "inflated price" to students is a direct result of reduced funding.
So you are saying ISU overcharges for the product they produce?
EDIT: Happens to be knowledge.
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No, student loans enable the bad actors (schools) to take advantage without risk to themselves (moral hazard).
The funding cuts for the Iowa Regent Universities have been going on for a number of years, It's not like this has just started happening. At some point it seems safe to assume that the people of the state are ok with the spending cuts, or that other things have higher priority.
Yeah. They’re called morons.
