WVU Eliminating Degree Programs-Future of Higher Ed

Whose going to program those overlords.

Music has been part of the human experience since the stone age, both as entertainment and a message medium.

Not sure I want current tech leadership near the programming of the robots, it seems there is a lot of self interest as opposed to country/social interest in the industry. Think I would rather have them programmed by engineers, educated at our Universities. But then I am old fashioned.

They.
Will.
Program.
Themselves.

It's a Brave New World
 
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I get downvoted whenever I mention but I still believe it to be true. We need to remove the federal govt back stop on student loans. With it, there is no incentive to provide cost effective education. The bank doesn't care because they get paid so the university receives little push back other than some temporary bad publicity when they raise tuition.

Remove the govt and now the bank has to actually analyze things. Now I am no fan of banks, but lower the number of students would at least attempt to force schools to tighten things up.


The impact of tons of federal money flowing into universities via student loans and faculty grants has contributed greatly to the expansion of programs that could not be sustained.
 
The impact of tons of federal money flowing into universities via student loans and faculty grants has contributed greatly to the expansion of programs that could not be sustained.
The moral hazard created by student loan programs has allowed universities to increase tuition/fees /board/spending without regard to any performance benchmarks or claw back of payments. The victims are students and taxpayers.
 
The moral hazard created by student loan programs has allowed universities to increase tuition/fees /board/spending without regard to any performance benchmarks or claw back of payments. The victims are students and taxpayers.

yeah, **** all the data that shows its actually the fault of state governments, blame the thing that makes it so college doesn't just become the realm of the rich.
 
What's changed over the last 30+ years is the amount of financial support states are providing to their public universities. A few decades ago, state appropriation covered 70% of Iowa State's operating budget. Today, it's less than 30%.
Where would the money come from in order for the state of Iowa to have maintained covering 70% of ISU's operating budget over all those years?

Think about this the next time you vote.
I think the voters have thought about it, and they have decided that they don't want state higher education degrees that are highly subsidized by tax dollars.

Colleges need to adapt...public, private, large, small. Some of them are...expanding much less expensive AA degrees with more employable trade-like options that can be finished in less than 2 years.

A friend's son recently completed Mercedes-Benz mechanic school...about a year of schooling and then an internship. I think MB paid for mostly everything. He is about 3 years in, and his salary is nearly six figures in Austin. And it's not all grease monkey work...lots of computer/tech stuff. No public funds needed.
 
Where would the money come from in order for the state of Iowa to have maintained covering 70% of ISU's operating budget over all those years?

Probably some of that giant surplus the state officials love to brag about (or that they have used as an excuse to hand out tax cuts, or give money to private k-12 schools)
 
I think this is going to happen to a lot of schools like WVU, and other lower ranking programs. We’re already seeing it here with the directional schools in Michigan getting massive cuts and there is talks of them combining or being forced to close. I want higher education to be accessible to all but with the cost of college these days going to a school most people outside the state haven’t heard of or a school with a rep like WVU just doesn’t make sense unless you plan on staying home.
I listened to an interview the other day with the WVU chancellor. Very interesting what's happening with the dynamics of upper education. One thing which REALLY caught my ear was an inference between WVU and Kansas for enabling remote language studies. This type of partnering can really work for the B12. Especially, if you can manage remote education.
 
As I've mentioned before it's not all about money with a college degree. Many times that college degree gets you a job that is easier on your body in the long run. I have construction clients who make really good money, but at the same age as me they already have bad joint issues. No way they will be able to perform their trade as long as I could choose too.
Tech schools offer some of that "softer side" of good pay, too. However, I see some differences in the people I work with where 4-years of logic, Philosophy, propaganda analysis, statistics, critical and creative writing, research, and even "geology" were all part of their curriculum.
 
What's wrong with tax cuts? You know that you can give that money back to ISU's (or any other school's) scholarship funds.
You asked where that money would have come from. Now you're moving the goalposts. You can't clutch your pearls about "where would the money come from" while also ignoring things that take revenue away.
 
Where would the money come from in order for the state of Iowa to have maintained covering 70% of ISU's operating budget over all those years?


I think the voters have thought about it, and they have decided that they don't want state higher education degrees that are highly subsidized by tax dollars.

Colleges need to adapt...public, private, large, small. Some of them are...expanding much less expensive AA degrees with more employable trade-like options that can be finished in less than 2 years.

A friend's son recently completed Mercedes-Benz mechanic school...about a year of schooling and then an internship. I think MB paid for mostly everything. He is about 3 years in, and his salary is nearly six figures in Austin. And it's not all grease monkey work...lots of computer/tech stuff. No public funds needed.
It's all about priorities, and the party in control of our state's government has made it clear that Iowa's K-12 schools and Regent universities are no longer a priority.
 
What's changed over the last 30+ years is the amount of financial support states are providing to their public universities. A few decades ago, state appropriation covered 70% of Iowa State's operating budget. Today, it's less than 30%.

Iowa's Republican legislators and governors have viewed the Regent universities as havens for liberal think and they've decided to punish the universities the best way they know how - financially. Meanwhile, the Republican legislators and governor divert $50 million annually from the taxes we pay to prop up the 40+ PRIVATE colleges in Iowa in the form of the Iowa Tuition Grant which is only available to students who attend Iowa PRIVATE colleges. Think of it as their higher ed version of "school choice".

Anyway, as a result of all this, the Regent universities have now become tuition driven instead of state supported, just like the private universities, and they've been forced to dramatically increase their tuition to try to stay competitive. It's a big reason why Iowa State gave up its prestigious AAU status. In short, Republicans are driving the Regent universities into the ground (just as they're doing with K-12 schools) and they've shifted the vast majority of the burden for paying for a Regents college degree to Iowa families.

Think about this the next time you vote.
The Iowa Tuition Grant is bipartisan and goes back decades. Very different from the ideologically-driven Catholic school giveaway of 2023.
 
I'll never forget having a teacher in high school in the early 2000s tell us that for a large percentage of people college isn't cost effective. Seemed crazy then, but I'll be damned if he wasn't on to something. Way too many people with 100k in debt working a 40k/year job that would have been much better off never getting a degree.

My wife doesn't have a college degree but has attained a very good job. I have an advanced degree and while I earn more than her, I imagine if you penciled it out she will net quite a bit more than me over her lifetime.

TCU is a quarter million dollars right now for a bachelors and not generally ranked any higher than ISU. I happened to look up some tuition #s during realignment and found they were ranked among the absolute worst values.

There's no way somebody is getting a return on the difference between that and in state tuition at any decent state college. For a huge # of people in state tuition is still a great value vs no college both in terms of investment and an enriched life.
 
TCU is a quarter million dollars right now for a bachelors and not generally ranked any higher than ISU. I happened to look up some tuition #s during realignment and found they were ranked among the absolute worst values.
That's not sustainable either, although it might survive longer than the state schools.