Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[jcyclonee]

The only way Oregon and Washington end up in the B12, is if neither the B10 nor SEC gives them an offer. The question no one knows is just how big either the SEC or B10 want to get too before they say "enough". Is that number 16, 18, 20 or 24. The B10 will be at 16 next season, so they are still open for business, when and who is the question.

I should have probably put in the qualifier that this would be contingent upon those two not getting an offer from the B10 or SEC and at least 2 of the four corners leave. I do think there's a chance the SEC could invite those Wash and OR if the B10 doesn't offer.

 

[isucy86]

Oh, I get it that we would have the stability moving to the P2 model. There is no way in hell we would turn down an offer to the big league. But I'm just saying that we as fans wouldn't see any advantage. We will always be ISU in the national scheme. But if we stay with this current model we have a real chance to be a top tier team in the XII. And as a lowly fan, winning 8-10 games/year is way more sexy than more money and being a 5-7 win/year.

Agree about being a consistent 8 win team. But if both Big10 and SEC are eventually 24-30 teams, then ISU wants to be in a Big 2 from a financial and relevance standpoint.

 

[2speedy1]

So they are saying their deal will be "on par" with the ACC and B12? At least that is what some are reporting.

Which is it? ACC media deal is about $17M... Big12 is about $32M. That is quite a gap.

So that to me means $20M is "on par", which would be about $12M short of the Big12, I do believe being that short would incentivise several to jump ship.

 

[DrShip]

It probably depends on how many teams the Big10 and SEC eventually include over the next decade- 20, 24, 28, etc?

In a decade, does major college sports look more like professional sports with 2 conferences, with 8 playoff teams from each conference and a championship game pitting conference champs?

For a long time, I thought the Big10 made the most sense for ISU. Natural rivals like: Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Illinois and Wisconsin. Very fan friendly road trips. But in an era where media money drives conference members, that time has probably passed.

If Iowa State has a place in a P2, it's probably the SEC with: Mizzou, KU, OU, Arkansas and further SEC westward expansion.

Owning territory will be critical to a Big 2 conference having a national presence.

I always thought that, too, about the SEC. I just have a hard time seeing them add a school from a Union state (Missouri doesn't count. I believe we arrested their governor and half their legislature who were trying to secede). Still, I have my own selfish reasons for hoping for the BIG seeing as how I live in WI.

Both are probably out of the question anyway. Which is fine; the new Big XII is going to be a fun league.

 

[jcyclonee]

I always thought that, too, about the SEC. I just have a hard time seeing them add a school from a Union state (Missouri doesn't count. I believe we arrested their governor and half their legislature who were trying to secede). Still, I have my own selfish reasons for hoping for the BIG seeing as how I live in WI.

Both are probably out of the question anyway. Which is fine; the new Big XII is going to be a fun league.

Kentucky was in the Union.

 

[FerShizzle]

The classic timeline that doesn’t include time or deadlines.

they finally figured out that if they dont give themselves deadlines, then they dont have to miss deadlines.

 

[CascadeClone]

I tend to think that the B10 is slow playing both OU and UW, and would prefer to take schools out of ACC, to strengthen the leagues presence on the East Coast. That OU and UW are fallback schools incase their plans in the east do not work out. The B10 already has the LA market, and therefore can sell the BTN to the entire state, they would rather have Florida, N. Carolina and that region that what they can make in Washington and Oregon.

Cheer, cheer, for old Notre Dame... ND is the prize. B1G is probably on pause until they can get ND, and whatever package is required to get them is what they will do.

UW/UO don't do enough, but if those two plus Stanford got ND as a 4th? Done.
Need to wait for the ACC to disband? And maybe grab a couple of those to get ND? Done.
Some combination of both and go to 24 teams? Done.

I think B1G is pat at 16 until ND is on the table.

 

[Cyched]

Cheer, cheer, for old Notre Dame... ND is the prize. B1G is probably on pause until they can get ND, and whatever package is required to get them is what they will do.

UW/UO don't do enough, but if those two plus Stanford got ND as a 4th? Done.
Need to wait for the ACC to disband? And maybe grab a couple of those to get ND? Done.
Some combination of both and go to 24 teams? Done.

I think B1G is pat at 16 until ND is on the table.

Think you’re right.

ND fits pretty well in the B10 and frankly belongs in a stratified P2 (as much as I don’t like where things are going).

They can have the B10 protect their rivalries with USC and Stanford. Can still play Navy in the non-con.

 

[DrShip]

Kentucky was in the Union.

My mistake, but they still had slavery so I'm not counting them. Maryland can similarly eat a satchel of Richards.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Kentucky was in the Union.

Also Iowa is essentially a Deep South state now from a politics perspective. Not trying to cave this just saying that’s a non issue for ISU joining the SEC but a major one for a school like Washington.

 

[jcyclonee]

My mistake, but they still had slavery so I'm not counting them. Maryland can similarly eat a satchel of Richards.

Kentucky only sort of counts as being in the union. Lincoln begged them enough that they finally relented.

 

[Acylum]

If you want to take him at his word, Sankey recently said anything above 16 doesn’t make sense.

 

[heitclone]

How many subscribers to Locked On PAC-12 are BIG12 fans? Lol

He's a PAC homer but I think he does a good job. I wouldn't know him if not for realignment but it's a good show

 

[HouClone]

So they are saying their deal will be "on par" with the ACC and B12? At least that is what some are reporting.

Which is it? ACC media deal is about $17M... Big12 is about $32M. That is quite a gap.

So that to me means $20M is "on par", which would be about $12M short of the Big12, I do believe being that short would incentivise several to jump ship.

Think the ACCN is about $10 million for them. Not sure if the ESPN is a flat $17M or if it escalates.

 

[Al_4_State]

I wouldn't assume the Big 10 takes anyone to "pair" with Notre Dame. Now that divisions are a thing of the past, there's no need for even numbers. Especially if it's for a school that doesn't pay their own way.

 

[CascadeClone]

If you want to take him at his word, Sankey recently said anything above 16 doesn’t make sense.

I do not want to take Sankey at his word, nor should anyone else.

 

[Al_4_State]

I do not want to take Sankey at his word, nor should anyone else.

I wouldn't take Sankey at his word, but I kinda doubt that anyone else out there adds to the SEC's bottom line.

I hope that they take a couple of ACC teams at some point, because that creates opportunity for the Big 12 (I think if FSU and Clemson got told "no" forever by the SEC they could solidify the ACC ahead of the Big 12), but I'm not convinced they will. There were 4 legitimate blue bloods outside the Big 10 and SEC previously (ND, USC, OU, and UT) and the SEC got 2 of 'em. Notre Dame is the only one left.

 

[ljm4cy]

Sounds like Stanford president is resigning due to potentially manipulated research dating back to 2001. Not sure of details, but it appears the student newspaper did the preliminary investigation.

It will be interesting if this has any impact on the Pac 12 dealings. Not a good look to claim the importance of research and academics when the leader of their premier university lacks integrity.

Also, hats off to student investigative journalism. Northwestern and Stanford have been shining stars, while the mainstream media continues cutting back on one of its primary missions.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Sounds like Stanford president is resigning due to potentially manipulated research dating back to 2001. Not sure of details, but it appears the student newspaper did the preliminary investigation.

It will be interesting if this has any impact on the Pac 12 dealings. Not a good look to claim the importance of research and academics when the leader of their premier university lacks integrity.

Also, hats off to student investigative journalism. Northwestern and Stanford have been shining stars, while the mainstream media continues cutting back on one of its primary missions.

If you think academics has anything to do with media dollars I’ve got a bridge to sell ya. Excellent condition even though I know ISU has cornered the bridge market

 

[CascadeClone]

If you think academics has anything to do with media dollars I’ve got a bridge to sell ya. Excellent condition even though I know ISU has cornered the bridge market

Agree won't impact media dollars, but does having an interim Pres at Stanford mess up the leadership or coherence (or lack thereof) for the PAC? It's one more uncertainty they didn't need. Suddenly what might have been a strong voice at the table is now likely neutered.