Buffalo Bills Damar Hamlin

It doesn’t really matter how the NFL went about their decision. The Bills were never going to come out of that locker room when their teammate’s life was in doubt.
 
I also don't get the "what took them so long" on calling the game off discussion. As others have mentioned, there are logistical issues in getting fans/players off the field and home, I'm sure there are multiple levels of chain of command for a decision like this, etc. The whole thing taking an hour or so after they suspended the game doesn't appear at all egregious to me.

And half of that hour was Hamlin being treated on the field.
 
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I had a rugby player try and convince me that no pads is the safest way to play. He said with all that armor on you just hit people as hard as you can, while rugby players have to learn how to tackle without injuring themselves which makes the impacts less violent. I wasn't completely sold on it, but there was a certain logic to it I guess. I've never bothered but I'm sure you could pretty easily find some statistics to confirm or deny it.

I kind of agree with him. In high school a bunch of us in town formed an informal no pad tackle football league. We'd play on Saturday afternoons (after playing our normal padded High School Football the night before). What you see is more tackling and breaking down and not as much launching for a kill shot.

Accidents still happen. We had a kid break his collar bone when he layed out to catch a pass, with pads on he probably wouldn't have broke it.
 
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Football players should all be taught to tackle with their SHOULDERS, and have their heads behind the ball carrier when tackling at an angle. Basically rugby style. It won't always happen, but the safer tackle will happen more often than not if they are taught properly in practice.

Agree. You can teach it all you want, but when the adrenaline is following and you are running as fast as you can it's not always practical unfortunately.
 
Hindsight and Monday morning QBing is always easy. But looking back at last night, outside of the whole 5 min restart thing (which now it sounds like that was more standard procedure than anyone saying "we are restarting this game in 5 mins"), I think both teams, officials, coaches, broadcasters, and the ESPN studio handled this as best as they possibly could. Especially ESPN (who I have bashed repeatedly) - they didn't show the replay or him getting CPR on the field, etc. Well done by all involved in an unprecedented, tough situation.
 
Football players should all be taught to tackle with their SHOULDERS, and have their heads behind the ball carrier when tackling at an angle. Basically rugby style. It won't always happen, but the safer tackle will happen more often than not if they are taught properly in practice.
I dont disagree with you, but what happened last night wasn't going to be avoided by tackling with a shoulder- in fact, I think Tee Higgins shoulder ran into the chest of Hamlin
 
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Hindsight and Monday morning QBing is always easy. But looking back at last night, outside of the whole 5 min restart thing (which now it sounds like that was more standard procedure than anyone saying "we are restarting this game in 5 mins"), I think both teams, officials, coaches, broadcasters, and the ESPN studio handled this as best as they possibly could. Especially ESPN (who I have bashed repeatedly) - they didn't show the replay or him getting CPR on the field, etc. Well done by all involved in an unprecedented, tough situation.
I also thought Ryan Clark and SVP did a really good job. Not going all hot take and SVP repeatedly saying we are just trying to report on what we know.
 
I also thought that ESPN saved the day by having Ryan Clark on there, who could totally relate. I felt bad for all the commentators trying to come up with the right words to say at a time where it's impossible for the right words.
Ryan Clark was great last night. Thoughtful, compassionate, and articulate.
 
Football players should all be taught to tackle with their SHOULDERS, and have their heads behind the ball carrier when tackling at an angle. Basically rugby style. It won't always happen, but the safer tackle will happen more often than not if they are taught properly in practice.
Pete Carroll has been a big proponent of teaching rugby style tackling. The Seahawks put out some videos back in 2014 on the technique and teaching it for coaches at all levels to use.

 
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Ryan Clark was great last night. Thoughtful, compassionate, and articulate.
He really was, and him being able to speak as both someone who went through a life threatening issue on the field and being there for another with Shazier really helped to paint a picture of what thoughts and emotions were going through that locker room.

As a note, it is crazy that ESPN had the perfect person right there in DC ready to go on set with SVP for something so unexpected.
 
As a Bills fan that's been cheering them on for a decade longer than Damar has even been on this planet, I can't shake this overwhelmingly heavy feeling. I still feel sick and incredibly emotional. I hope like hell he's in the backfield for the start of the 2023/24 season.
 
The fact a medical Doctor even has to address bullet point number 2 is an indication how far this society has fallen when that's your first thought.
Agree with having to call it out but the internet is not real life. I would wager that a VERY low % of the US population was thinking vaccine. Vocal minorities are the loudest voices on social media as they drive engagement and user interactions on the platforms. That is likely why he called it out in the video.
 
The fact a medical Doctor even has to address bullet point number 2 is an indication how far this society has fallen when that's your first thought.
Are you taking this thread down this road again??? Thought you learned last night when you went there. Please stop trying to cave it.
 
Hindsight and Monday morning QBing is always easy. But looking back at last night, outside of the whole 5 min restart thing (which now it sounds like that was more standard procedure than anyone saying "we are restarting this game in 5 mins"), I think both teams, officials, coaches, broadcasters, and the ESPN studio handled this as best as they possibly could. Especially ESPN (who I have bashed repeatedly) - they didn't show the replay or him getting CPR on the field, etc. Well done by all involved in an unprecedented, tough situation.
Joe Buck came back after the second commercial break and said Hamlin was surrounded by so many players the cameras could not get video of the CPR administration and he acknowledged that not showing the video was the right thing to do anyways.
 
As a Bills fan that's been cheering them on for a decade longer than Damar has even been on this planet, I can't shake this overwhelmingly heavy feeling. I still feel sick and incredibly emotional. I hope like hell he's in the backfield for the start of the 2023/24 season.

I find hope from the quick reaction and treatment. Like a few years back when the player was basically saved from paralysis because the doctors moved so quickly.

If I remember correctly that was a Bills player too?

Tough game played by people. Real people with families and goals and dreams.
 
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