Bruns - Iowa Everywhere

[LtRaczack]

You're sticking a lot of words in my mouth. I guess I'll let you have your sense of victory. 2020 wasn't a fluke and yes we had the same issues we are having today back then. To suggest the defense is to blame for last year is just ridiculous. 2 games? How many times has the offense **** the bed in Campbell's tenure?

Rewatch the last offensive series in the 2020 conference championship game and you see some strangely familiar things:

1. Consecutive false starts
2. A clear indecisiveness on what play to call
3. Purdy forced to rush without a clear play determined resulting in an interception and ultimately the game. Yes other factors put the game in that position but that one decisive drive shows all the same trademarks seen this year.
4. The appearance is the game moves too fast for the coaching staff to determine plays and you see this very clearly whenever it’s a two minute drill especially although it’s always present.
5. Everyone has seen the offense is best when it moves quickly and forces other teams to react. The reality is it cedes the initiative to every single defense it faces by being indecisive and not having the next two to three plays in mind. This has been an issue for years.
6. The continuing major scheme and play execution issues with offense and special teams have been apparent for years. The fact that these issues continue is alarming and will continue to limit the team.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Not about winning and I don’t need a message board “victory”. What I enjoy is pointing out how ridiculous you sound.

Every season is its own thing. And last season believe it or not the defense blew two conference (22% so almost a quarter) games against inferior competition. And I think the defense deserves every pass in the world because they do. But if you want to harp on previous season’s issues for one side then I am going to bring you facts. And the fact is, our amazing defense cost us two games last year that were easily two of the games we counted as wins to start the season. And boom there’s a 9-win season.

Also just to keep sounding as insane as some of you (and again just playing Devil’s advocate here because the offense sucks and is to blame for this season) but the defense the last two weeks got something from the offense finally to take the lead in both games and then immediately **** the bed to give up TDs to Okie State and Tech after halting them all day long.

Jfc. Tech wasn't taking any chances because they didn't need to, our offense was freaking terrible. Giving up 14 points against a top 20 offense is excellent.

Heacock made the necessary changes and look at how much better our secondary is this year compared to last which you seem to want to continually harp on as apparently a good reason why we're losing; our #7 defense? The offense is consistently bad. Nevermind Campbell decided to not kick two 20 yard field goals which was the difference in the game despite all the issues. In game coaching strikes again.

 

[LtRaczack]

Jfc. Tech wasn't taking any chances because they didn't need to, our offense was freaking terrible. Giving up 14 points against a top 20 offense is excellent.

Heacock made the necessary changes and look at how much better our secondary is this year compared to last which you seem to want to continually harp on as apparently a good reason why we're losing; our #7 defense? The offense is consistently bad. Nevermind Campbell decided to not kick two 20 yard field goals which was the difference in the game despite all the issues. In game coaching strikes again.

Oh you mean taking two field goals from the 5 yard line for a sure six points instead of trying the same play that didn’t work the previous five times expecting a different result?

Six points that would have been enough to win the game strangely enough…hmmmm oh well.

The decision for the last punt with one time out left definitely redeems everything.

 

[3TrueFans]

Oh you mean taking two field goals from the 5 yard line for a sure six points instead of trying the same play that didn’t work the previous five times expecting a different result?

Six points that would have been enough to win the game strangely enough…hmmmm oh well.

The decision for the last punt with one time out left definitely redeems everything.

Now I know you don't know Cyclone fans if you think everyone's heads don't explode if we kick field goals from the goal line.

 

[LtRaczack]

Now I know you don't know Cyclone fans if you think everyone's heads don't explode if we kick field goals from the goal line.

I don’t let certain individuals color my perceptions of Cyclone fans as a whole. I have fond memories of ringing ears from Hilton winning so many games.

It is hard for me to dislike Cyclone fans even when I have no idea where they are coming from with their view point. Perhaps that’s a serious character flaw I have.

 

[madguy30]

Not about winning and I don’t need a message board “victory”. What I enjoy is pointing out how ridiculous you sound.

Every season is its own thing. And last season believe it or not the defense blew two conference (22% so almost a quarter) games against inferior competition. And I think the defense deserves every pass in the world because they do. But if you want to harp on previous season’s issues for one side then I am going to bring you facts. And the fact is, our amazing defense cost us two games last year that were easily two of the games we counted as wins to start the season. And boom there’s a 9-win season.

Also just to keep sounding as insane as some of you (and again just playing Devil’s advocate here because the offense sucks and is to blame for this season) but the defense the last two weeks got something from the offense finally to take the lead in both games and then immediately **** the bed to give up TDs to Okie State and Tech after halting them all day long.

The defense is very good. It is not disruptive and there's not many times where bodies are flying to the ball.

Tech wasn't uncomfortable on their last scoring drive.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Hasn't Kirk Ferentz had a few ****** seasons over the years? He seems to have rebounded ok....albeit with a bit different circumstances.

Not really, considering a ****** season for Iowa is like, 6-6 or 7-5. Which most Cyclone fans would take in a heartbeat. With everything that has happened in Iowa City this year and the historically bad offense, I would almost argue that this has been a ****** year for Iowa, and they're gonna be playing in their freaking conference championship game.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

The defense is very good. It is not disruptive and there's not many times where bodies are flying to the ball.

Tech wasn't uncomfortable on their last scoring drive.

This. They are the epitome of a bend but don't break defense. They are an elite bend but don't break defense, but I don't think they are an elite defense overall. Lacking real quality at LB this year specifically, but the scheme just isn't disruptive in general, as you said. It is prone to getting picked apart by an urgent and desperate offense like OSU and Tech were in the 4th quarter of those games.

 

[davegilbertson]

Not really, considering a ****** season for Iowa is like, 6-6 or 7-5. Which most Cyclone fans would take in a heartbeat. With everything that has happened in Iowa City this year and the historically bad offense, I would almost argue that this has been a ****** year for Iowa, and they're gonna be playing in their freaking conference championship game.

1999	1–10	0–8	down year; yr 1 rebuild
2000	3–9	3–5	down year; rebuild
2001	7–5	4–4
2002	11–2	8–0
2003	10–3	5–3
2004	10–2	7–1
2005	7–5	5–3
2006	6–7	2–6	down year; bowl loss
2007	6–6	4–4	down year; no bowl
2008	9–4	5–3
2009	11–2	6–2
2010	8–5	4–4
2011	7–6	4–4
2012	4–8	2–6	down year; no bowl
2013	8–5	5–3
2014	7–6	4–4	down year?; bowl loss
2015	12–2	8–0
2016	8–5	6–3
2017	8–5	4–5
2018	9–4	5–4
2019	10–3	6–3
2020	6–2	6–2	COVID
2021	10–4	7–2
2022	7–4	5–3	down year aided by div.

It's interesting that Kirk's hiccups began in yr 8 & 9. There was a lot of speculation and Kirk's name was top of every coaching search prior to that point. Fans really started to wonder if the luster had worn off.

Very similar trajectory/blueprint, but we haven't matched their high water to this point.

2016	3–9	2–7	down year; yr 1 rebuild
2017	8–5	5–4
2018	8–5	6–3
2019	7–6	5–4
2020	9–3	8–1
2021	7–6	5–4	down year?; bowl loss
2022	4–6	1–6	down year; no bowl

 

[CycloneErik]

1999	1–10	0–8	down year; yr 1 rebuild
2000	3–9	3–5	down year; rebuild
2001	7–5	4–4
2002	11–2	8–0
2003	10–3	5–3
2004	10–2	7–1
2005	7–5	5–3
2006	6–7	2–6	down year; bowl loss
2007	6–6	4–4	down year; no bowl
2008	9–4	5–3
2009	11–2	6–2
2010	8–5	4–4
2011	7–6	4–4
2012	4–8	2–6	down year; no bowl
2013	8–5	5–3
2014	7–6	4–4	down year?; bowl loss
2015	12–2	8–0
2016	8–5	6–3
2017	8–5	4–5
2018	9–4	5–4
2019	10–3	6–3
2020	6–2	6–2	COVID
2021	10–4	7–2
2022	7–4	5–3	down year aided by div.

It's interesting that Kirk's hiccups began in yr 8 & 9. There was a lot of speculation and Kirk's name was top of every coaching search prior to that point. Fans really started to wonder if the luster had worn off.

Very similar trajectory/blueprint, but we haven't matched their high water to this point.

2016	3–9	2–7
2017	8–5	5–4
2018	8–5	6–3
2019	7–6	5–4
2020	9–3	8–1
2021	7–6	5–4	down year?; bowl loss
2022	4–6	1–6	down year; no bowl

Failing to match that high water means that's not a very similar trajectory at all.

 

[Gunnerclone]

1999	1–10	0–8	down year; yr 1 rebuild
2000	3–9	3–5	down year; rebuild
2001	7–5	4–4
2002	11–2	8–0
2003	10–3	5–3
2004	10–2	7–1
2005	7–5	5–3
2006	6–7	2–6	down year; bowl loss
2007	6–6	4–4	down year; no bowl
2008	9–4	5–3
2009	11–2	6–2
2010	8–5	4–4
2011	7–6	4–4
2012	4–8	2–6	down year; no bowl
2013	8–5	5–3
2014	7–6	4–4	down year?; bowl loss
2015	12–2	8–0
2016	8–5	6–3
2017	8–5	4–5
2018	9–4	5–4
2019	10–3	6–3
2020	6–2	6–2	COVID
2021	10–4	7–2
2022	7–4	5–3	down year aided by div.

It's interesting that Kirk's hiccups began in yr 8 & 9. There was a lot of speculation and Kirk's name was top of every coaching search prior to that point. Fans really started to wonder if the luster had worn off.

Very similar trajectory/blueprint, but we haven't matched their high water to this point.

2016	3–9	2–7
2017	8–5	5–4
2018	8–5	6–3
2019	7–6	5–4
2020	9–3	8–1
2021	7–6	5–4	down year?; bowl loss
2022	4–6	1–6	down year; no bowl

It’s pretty amazing that this last block is ISU football honestly. Throw in conference road game records and that chart alone shows why no one should calling for CMC to leave or even be on the hot seat. Just have to have to have to get better on the line. Not great, just serviceable.

 

[davegilbertson]

Failing to match that high water means that's not a very similar trajectory at all.

to me, I'm grading Matt on a curve.

On one hand, his turnaround w/ ISU was quicker and more dramatic than Iowa's.

On the other hand, Iowa as been aided by scheduling where they don't face the best of their conf each season.

Matt still has ISU playing at a unprecedented level w/ our history. The hicccups came at a similar point in both their tenures.

I guess I should say, the pattern is similar, while we're Iowa Lite in terms of raw results/outcomes.

 

[davegilbertson]

It’s pretty amazing that this last block is ISU football honestly. Throw in conference road game records and that chart alone shows why no one should calling for CMC to leave or even be on the hot seat. Just have to have to have to get better on the line. Not great, just serviceable

He's successfully raised the standard. For better and worse. 7-6 used to be a smashing success, now it's met w/ 'meh' kind of a disappointment. and 4-6 was the norm while not celebrated.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Failing to match that high water means that's not a very similar trajectory at all.

The high water isn't as high, and the low water is a bit lower. 4-8 = Kirk's worst season, and Matt's to date, but even that year he won 2 conference games to Matt's 1. In theory, Matt could get to 2 this year, but...yeah.

 

[davegilbertson]

The high water isn't as high, and the low water is a bit lower. 4-8 = Kirk's worst season, and Matt's to date, but even that year he won 2 conference games to Matt's 1. In theory, Matt could get to 2 this year, but...yeah.

Also, if we're being pedantic

similar adj
having characteristics in common: strictly comparable.
resembling without being identical.

 

[CycloneErik]

The high water isn't as high, and the low water is a bit lower. 4-8 = Kirk's worst season, and Matt's to date, but even that year he won 2 conference games to Matt's 1. In theory, Matt could get to 2 this year, but...yeah.

Just getting ready for months of bad comparisons to Snyder and Ferentz that don't match what those two actually accomplished.

 

[simply1]

Not really, considering a ****** season for Iowa is like, 6-6 or 7-5. Which most Cyclone fans would take in a heartbeat. With everything that has happened in Iowa City this year and the historically bad offense, I would almost argue that this has been a ****** year for Iowa, and they're gonna be playing in their freaking conference championship game.

Chris and Chris touched on this a bit. Iowa’s defense literally won them several games by scoring and giving very short fields. Ours has not been able to do that. That’s not blaming the defense for losses, it’s saying the opportunity to really win the game almost single handed is there.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Chris and Chris touched on this a bit. Iowa’s defense literally won them several games by scoring and giving very short fields. Ours has not been able to do that. That’s not blaming the defense for losses, it’s saying the opportunity to really win the game almost single handed is there.

They're coached to be aggressive. We're not. That's Campbell's philosophy.

 

[Williowa]

Lol congrats Tom, you can name two games in two years where the defense didn’t play well. ISU is losing 14-10 to a bunch of teams that are otherwise playing in the 30s and 40s. No defense is perfect. The ISU defense is incredible. The maximization of talent is unreal.

Guys Manning developed into NFL talent is > then guys heacock put in the NFL. But arguably Heacock gets more out of what he does have so yeah... Talent maximized

 

[joefrog]

It’s pretty amazing that this last block is ISU football honestly. Throw in conference road game records and that chart alone shows why no one should calling for CMC to leave or even be on the hot seat. Just have to have to have to get better on the line. Not great, just serviceable.

Dude, we're going to win one conference game this year.

The same problems plaguing offense and special teams are still there.

ISU has never played in a weaker football conference since the Big6.

We still look unprepared and discombobulated on offense.

Other teams have adjusted to CampbellBall and now simply just do it better.

Absent MASS staff changes on offense, there is absolutely no reason to believe he is still the man for the job.