Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

FriendlySpartan

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I agree that Nebby gets good ratings. But some of the viewership last year was due to games with Oklahoma, OSU, Mich, etc. How much of their ratings last year were due to those high ratings teams and their viewers is my question.

It is similar to no one allowing us in the Big 12 to count UT and OU games in numbers, if you take out the highest rated teams in the conference.. I am sure their numbers would significantly go down.
Of course it plays a role but it also only plays a role if the team is ranked. For example texas only had one game last year break the 4 mil mark and it was against OU. They are still a good draw but will draw significantly less when they aren’t ranked. Nebraska played a stupid hard schedule last year against 5 ranked teams (plus Wisconsin) but that is what happens sometimes. They have still been in the top 15 of ratings going back close to a decade
 

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Was no one capable of issuing a denial 2 days ago? There were 2 sources that claimed a meeting would take place today. Now we are being told that was falsely reported. I am thinking ESPN stepped in today to save the PAC much like Fox/ESPN did more than a decade ago to save the B12.
Anything is possible. I could see someone at ESPN with a grudge against the B12 trying to stick it to us again. Hopefully not the case.
 

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For Tier 1 rights. Yes, football is all that matters. Tier 2 and Tier 3 LOVE basketballs ability to lock in conference fans to a streaming package.

You'd be stunned how many people would keep their subscription to a Big 12 streaming deal in the off-season if they could casually stream non-revenue sports. $10/month times millions of conference fans matters at the lower tiers.

That tier 2 and tier 3 income is how we separate from the ACC as the #3 conference in the NCAA and how we lock in a CFP spot.
It still doesnt matter to realignment. When comparing all sports in all ADs it doesnt matter Bball just does not move the needle enough when you are talking $100 million numbers.

The Highest BBall program revenue in the country is Duke at 57th, this is behind even U of Kansas Football revenue.

Kansas' mighty Bball program they love to brag about, they think matters sits at 100th in revenue. Behind places like the U of Wyoming's in Football revenue.

BBall is a fun side piece that we all like and agree that if school A and school B were completely equal but one had a better Bball program then that one would get the nod. But that is the only real way it matters.

We love bball and like that some of these schools have great bball, but it matters barely more than Volleyball, Wrestling, Gymnastics, or Baseball, when it comes to realignment. That doesnt mean we dont look forward to those matchups and like to discuss them.

 

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More smoke being reported out.

Man, that next article down in that link from Dodd is utterly clueless. He's just been so wrong all the time, and puts out such nonsense how is he employed.

I used to think Wilner was the dumbest guy in sports media, but Dodd with the hold my beer moment.
 

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Sometime they will win 8 games again and it will be the Second Coming.
It is humorous to listen to AM 590 out of Omaha in the afternoons. Each year as we approach the start of football season the Nebraska commentators give their forecast of wins for the upcoming season....and they cannot help themselves and end up increasing the number to outdo each other. "Tom the off season weight program at N this summer has me thinking we will win at least nine games this year. Frank, I think if the defensive back we recruited from Vanderbilt is as good as advertised we could easily win 10, and maybe 11 if things go our way. Your both wrong. If our punters groin is fully healed we will be facing Ohio State in the big 10 championship this year".

Optimism springs anew in Lincoln each August...only to be wilted by the second game in September.
 
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Agreed. Survive and Advance. Possible Big 12 football championship in Vegas or Glendale sounds like a fun trip.

DEN = multiple directs
Houston = Direct
Orlando = Direct
PHX = multiple directs
Cincy - 9 hour drive from central Iowa
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Boulder isn't the longest drive from western IA. I did it twice as a college kid. Not the greatest drive since it's mostly Nebraska.

I checked out all 3 FBS stadiums in Utah last year on my way driving to Grand Teton National Park. Utah and BYU stadiums obvious B12 fit. Utah St campus/town/stadium more impressive than I'd have thought too.
 

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In the last TV deal. Yes. Tier 2 and 3 will be growing as a percentage with tech/streaming coming online. Football will always be king. We aren't in the Top 2 leagues tier. But leveraging by far the #1 basketball conference in our next TV package is going to happen.

We are in the content age. Streamers want active users who will keep their subscription going. @ChrisMWilliams has written, tweeted, and podcasted about this point extensively
What you are assuming is that content wont just become part of Tier 1. As you have said things are changing.
That content is just getting absorbed into Tier 1. For instance do you pay for a CycloneTV account anymore? That content is all just going to be part of the media package.
 

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From https://www.yahoo.com/video/college...z1NbAvm067kwd2feK7F-YWs1cilvB5azx1l7kMQ_UOoef

The biggest revenue producer among college sports is no surprise: It’s football. College football brings in an average of $31.9 million per school per year, financial website Zacks.com reported. That’s an eye-popping number, but it’s even more impressive when you see that number is more than the next 35 college sports combined.

A large portion of that revenue comes from TV deals. ESPN’s deal to broadcast the College Football Playoff is worth roughly $470 million annually, and the Power 5 conference TV contracts each bring in at least $200 million a year, according to On3.com.

The top-revenue producing schools for football won’t surprise you, either. Texas tops the list at $144 million, followed by national champion Georgia ($134 million), Michigan ($126 million), Ohio State ($116 million) and Alabama ($110 million).

Basketball​

The No. 2 revenue-producing sport for college is basketball, which brings $8.1 million per school. The bulk of revenue for basketball comes from CBS Sports’ deal to broadcast the NCAA Tournament, which is worth $1.1 billion per year.

Louisville brought in $42 million to lead all schools in basketball revenue, followed by Duke ($37 million), Kentucky ($30 million), North Carolina ($27 million), and Indiana ($26 million).

If you knock out 250 schools the per school revenue is impressive, but the Tournament can't pull in $1.1 billion if you take out the Davidson's, Butler's, VCU, etc.

How is Louisville so far ahead of all other schools in basketball revenue? Is that only through attendance numbers? $15M ahead of UNC and only Duke within $5M of them seems crazy.
 
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Anything is possible. I could see someone at ESPN with a grudge against the B12 trying to stick it to us again. Hopefully not the case.
I am going to keep my hopes in check until something is announced. The "tethered together" comment could end up being as desperate as the 3-conference alliance's statement turned out to be. I don't see Oregon signing onto a new GOR with the PAC (or the B12) as they will eventually end up in the B10. USC and UCLA need more than just each other on the West Coast.
 

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I hope Big 10 takes Oregon as I see Pac-12 doing all they can to stay together.
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The thing that no one seems to be grasping this time around is that the big 12 already gained stability. I think a lot of these people don’t understand that we’re good right this very second. The media just can’t admit it, they are just too entrenched in the “B12 in disarray!” to get past it.
 

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Uh, the next article is about how the Big12 is looking to add 6 Pac12 teams and is written by Dodd.


https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...2-teams-after-usc-ucla-defections-to-big-ten/
Dodd: Pac 12 and Big 12 could merge, but nothing happens until Notre Dame decides. But they could just merge, and because I expect people running these leagues are as dumb as I am, they'll probably leave out the third most watched team in the two conferences.

Again, viewership last year went Oregon, Okie State, Iowa State.

Dodd two days later: Big 12 in discussions about poaching PAC members.
 
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2speedy1

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Also another fair option. But if we get to unequal revenue sharing, then why not just let anyone join the league so long as they agree to take revenue at a lower rate. There’s a whole lot of schools who would sign up for that.

I just don’t think that actually solves it totally. Then again, none of this actually makes sense to any of us and we could debate in circles about hypotheticals that never happen
Because everyone loved it in the Big 12? You didnt notice we no longer have Mizzou, Nebby, Colorado, or A&M in the Big 12?

You think teams like Iowa, Indiana, Miss st are going to like making Half as much or less than OSU or Alabama?

You think there is an infinite number of spots?

You think that when those lower teams are making equal or less than what a league outside that league, Say the Big 12, is making with equal sharing they wont want to leave for that equality?

I dont know if it will happen, but if it does, which I think is likely, it will be the demise of those conferences.
 

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Because they are already in and no big ten school wants to start the president of kicking out low performing members. It’s easy to forget with bama and OSU’s dominance that these things are often cyclical. Not that long ago Clemson was a joke and bama was completely irrelevant.

I don't see it as "kicked out", but as the blue bloods moving their FB teams out of the conference into a newly formed ESPN SuperLeague.

B1G football continues, with Nebby, Iowa, NW, Rutgers etc. But Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St and maybe a couple others in a "Champions League" with Bama, LSU, Georgia et al.
 

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How is Louisville so far ahead of all other schools in basketball revenue? Is that only through attendance numbers? $15M ahead of UNC and only Duke within $5M of them seems crazy.

I remember it coming up both when their fans were coming to ISU boards saying they already hired away Larry Eustachy and when they were asking to join Big 12. It's been that way a long time but not sure why.
 

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I was in a hurry and trying to characterize it properly, but I'd have phrased it differently in hindsight. I'll take another stab...

Dodd is reporting the Big 12's side of things, that it wants to add Pac schools. He doesn't cite anyone else's reporting about any meetings taking place, nor does he cite any discussions of any kind between the leagues or schools.

Canzano reporting the Pac's side of things, that the remaining 10 are sticking together and talk of those four schools moving to the Big 12 is premature. Of course, they're all going to say they're staying together - especially in light of wanting to jump into this media rights negotiation window - right up until they decide they aren't.
I would not say Dodd is reporting the Big 12s side, The dude has some serious angst for the Big 12. He would love nothing more than the Big 12 to fold.

He twists everything to make the Big 12 look worse. Similar to How Mandel, overvalues the PAC.
 

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I don't see it as "kicked out", but as the blue bloods moving their FB teams out of the conference into a newly formed ESPN SuperLeague.

B1G football continues, with Nebby, Iowa, NW, Rutgers etc. But Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St and maybe a couple others in a "Champions League" with Bama, LSU, Georgia et al.
Kicking someone out seems like a lot of trouble to go to when the Big 10 and SEC don't have GORs. Much easier for the top teams to bold and create their own playoff structure from a blank slate.