Friday OT #2 - So, So, So Scandalous

BigJCy

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Wonder how much time she gets and what the fine will be?
 

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I don't get too caught up in stuff because the big picture is these things have little impact on my life. There were 2 Dateline episodes in recent years that caught my interest for a short time because of local ties and made me want to learn more. First one was a murder that happened less than a mile from where I live in Grimes. I still remember seeing the road closed off that morning on my way to work wondering what happened. Google David Moffit/Justin Michael and you will find some stuff on it. Basically was a strange love triangle that lead to it and the Dateline episode was really interesting because the showed some of the questioning the fiancée who was in bed right next to him when he was murdered and how odd her line of questioning was too. Was fascinating to see how all these little pieces had to come together to finally figure out who committed the crime.

The other was the Dateline on the Jason Carter trial with the murder of his mother. A lot of weird circumstances in that one too.

The Jason Carter story has been a wild one, not just the criminal trial, but the civil one as well. I'm pretty sure he did it, but there are a lot of odd things about the story.

Another one really close to home is the missing person case of Jesse Leopold. His truck was found at Ledges State Park in 2016, and he was never seen again. His father has been trying to keep the case alive and find new leads, but it has pretty much gone cold.
 

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Thernos verdict info.

Holmes faces up to 20 years in prison as well as a fine of $250,000 plus restitution for each count.

Also the counts where the jury couldn't decide will likely be declared a mistrial, and she may face those charges again.
 

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Yeah, I've checked in to this more often than other stories. What I really want to know is why Holmes feels the need to talk in a deep voice and impersonate Steve Jobs? Also interested to know how the company was able to grow and keep almost everyone working for them in line, despite the red flags.
I'm watching the Hulu series "The Dropout" and it's pretty interesting watching things play out. I'm still in the first couple of episodes, but it seems that the voice deepening is how she reassures herself when things are going poorly.
 

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I'm watching the Hulu series "The Dropout" and it's pretty interesting watching things play out. I'm still in the first couple of episodes, but it seems that the voice deepening is how she reassures herself when things are going poorly.

Regarding the voice, I’ve read articles that says she does it so that people take her more seriously. But still interested to know why.
 

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Not exactly sure.
I'm watching the Hulu series "The Dropout" and it's pretty interesting watching things play out. I'm still in the first couple of episodes, but it seems that the voice deepening is how she reassures herself when things are going poorly.
A couple episodes are a struggle. Also, think about Sunny, he put the moves on a HS senior.
 

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I still get sucked in the the "Making of a Murderer" updates. I'm still not sure what to think based on what I saw. Never liked how the cops handled the 15 year old kid, Brandon.
 

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She was just sentenced to 11 years, get busy.

I was surprised she got that much time, but she cost people a bunch of money. Didn't she get a $800 million dollar fine also? How in the world would you pay that?
 

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I was surprised she got that much time, but she cost people a bunch of money. Didn't she get a $800 million dollar fine also? How in the world would you pay that?
I was surprised also. They must have wanted to send a message to silicone valley.
 

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Some said here are on my list too. 9/11, Columbine, Oklahoma City bombing. I listened to a multi-part series on the Kennedy assassination.

Then several of the most famous killers like Dahmer, Gacy, Gein to name a few and maybe the one of the most sickest killers ever Albert Fish.
 

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The Elizabeth Holmes Reputation Recovery Tour is underway.
Her last ditch effort to avoid reporting to prison pending her appeal has failed, she be locked up May 30, 11 years and her and Balwani have to repay $452 million to their victims.

Personally, I think she deserves another 10 years for naming her daughter Invicta.
 

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The Elizabeth Holmes Reputation Recovery Tour is underway.

Her last ditch effort to avoid reporting to prison pending her appeal has failed, she be locked up May 30, 11 years and her and Balwani have to repay $452 million to their victims.

Personally, I think she deserves another 10 years for naming her daughter Invicta.

I read Bad Blood. She's guilty of two crimes (in the moral sense not in the legal sense) --

Theranos sounded like an awful place to work. But they paid well (as tech startups do in the Bay Area, or at least did until recently when the VC spigot went dry). She's hardly the only CEO to establish an atrocious workplace culture. We've all experienced that... makes her an ******* of a boss, not a criminal.

The other crime was essentially stealing from investors. Theranos was privately held, and Holmes only went after big fish. Like, megalodon-level big fish. The list of people she bilked is hilarious --

In May 2018, John Carreyrou reported that American business and government leaders lost more than $600 million by privately investing in Theranos. Major investments had been made by the Walton family ($150 million), Rupert Murdoch ($121 million), Betsy DeVos ($100 million) and the Cox family (of Cox Media Group) ($100 million). The final liquidation of the company in September 2018 rendered these investments worthless.

That does not even count the board members she courted somehow --

Holmes was introduced to former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz, who joined the Theranos board of directors that month. Over the next three years, Shultz helped to introduce almost all the outside directors on the "all-star board", which included William Perry (former U.S. Secretary of Defense), Henry Kissinger (former U.S. Secretary of State), Sam Nunn (former U.S. Senator), Bill Frist (former U.S. Senator, senate majority leader and heart-transplant surgeon), Gary Roughead (Admiral, USN, retired), Jim Mattis (General, USMC), Richard Kovacevich (former Wells Fargo Chairman and CEO) and Riley P. Bechtel (chairman of the board and former CEO at Bechtel Group)

So, I can't help but like her on some level.

There's a populist/Robin Hood element of her stealing from these people and making them look like fools. There's also a nihilistic element to it -- like in The Dark Knight when the Joker sets the money on fire.

She set a lot of money on fire.
 
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I read Bad Blood. She's guilty of two crimes (in the moral sense not in the legal sense) --

Theranos sounded like an awful place to work. But they paid well (as tech startups do in the Bay Area, or at least did until recently when the VC spigot went dry). She's hardly the only CEO to establish an atrocious workplace culture. We've all experienced that... makes her an ******* of a boss, not a criminal.

The other crime was essentially stealing from investors. Theranos was privately held, and Holmes only went after big fish. Like, megalodon-level big fish. The list of people she bilked is hilarious --

In May 2018, John Carreyrou reported that American business and government leaders lost more than $600 million by privately investing in Theranos. Major investments had been made by the Walton family ($150 million), Rupert Murdoch ($121 million), Betsy DeVos ($100 million) and the Cox family (of Cox Media Group) ($100 million). The final liquidation of the company in September 2018 rendered these investments worthless.

That does not even count the board members she courted somehow --

Holmes was introduced to former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz, who joined the Theranos board of directors that month. Over the next three years, Shultz helped to introduce almost all the outside directors on the "all-star board", which included William Perry (former U.S. Secretary of Defense), Henry Kissinger (former U.S. Secretary of State), Sam Nunn (former U.S. Senator), Bill Frist (former U.S. Senator, senate majority leader and heart-transplant surgeon), Gary Roughead (Admiral, USN, retired), Jim Mattis (General, USMC), Richard Kovacevich (former Wells Fargo Chairman and CEO) and Riley P. Bechtel (chairman of the board and former CEO at Bechtel Group)

So, I can't help but like her on some level.

There's a populist/Robin Hood element of her stealing from these people and making them look like fools. There's also a nihilistic element to it -- like in The Dark Knight when the Joker sets the money on fire.

She set a lot of money on fire.
She was bilking people by outright lying about the capabilities of her technology. If it had worked it would've been arguably the greatest innovation in the past century, so of course high-powered 1%ers wanted in. That doesn't change the fact that she lied about what her technology could do. Nothing noble about that IMO.