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John Deere strike imminent?

CyJack13 said:
I’m guessing there’s going to start to be some dissension within the UAW at this point as pretty much every site except waterloo passed this version of the deal. Not sure how much interaction there is between the different locals but they don’t seem to all be on the same page now.
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I can't find the numbers now but I did see last night that it was rejected in Waterloo, Dubuque and PDC but passed most of the other sites. Going to be interesting to see what's next most of the people I work with thought they had pretty good leverage with rejecting that first offer but thought they'd pass this second one. Reading the facebook posts around here what I can gather is they thought it was an ok deal but all think they can get more. Maybe they can but I don't think there is going to be much in the way of motivation by the company to sweeten the pot any further unless the stock price tanks. It took a pretty big hit today it looks like but unless that trend continues over the next couple weeks I doubt it'll have much of an impact.
 
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MeowingCows said:
And JD is lying by implying they can't give more to their workers, when all objective measure of their profits would state otherwise. Union knows they have great leverage, leverage they may never have again for decades. If they're ever going to shoot their shot, it's now or never.

I'd rather side with liars who are like me over liars whose standards of living I'll never achieve in my entire lifetime, if I'm forced to make that choice. At least one group of liars would have my own back and interests.
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They are offering more. I'm just curious to see what's enough. They'll work it out eventually.
 
mramseyISU said:
I can't find the numbers now but I did see last night that it was rejected in Waterloo, Dubuque and PDC but passed most of the other sites. Going to be interesting to see what's next most of the people I work with thought they had pretty good leverage with rejecting that first offer but thought they'd pass this second one. Reading the facebook posts around here what I can gather is they thought it was an ok deal but all think they can get more. Maybe they can but I don't think there is going to be much in the way of motivation by the company to sweeten the pot any further unless the stock price tanks. It took a pretty big hit today it looks like but unless that trend continues over the next couple weeks I doubt it'll have much of an impact.
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They have to release FY’22 projections in three weeks. I think that is incentive for them to have this resolved before then. But after that, the only motivation the company will have to settle it is if they start losing salary people in large numbers, which I wouldn’t be surprised starts to happen if this goes on for months.
 
CyJack13 said:
They have to release FY’22 projections in three weeks. I think that is incentive for them to have this resolved before then. But after that, the only motivation the company will have to settle it is if they start losing salary people in large numbers, which I wouldn’t be surprised starts to happen if this goes on for months.
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The other piece to that is how productive the salary people running the line get. It'll be pretty slow going for the first couple weeks but if this drags on a month or more I don't think there will be a big difference in productivity other than there being fewer people on the line.
 
mramseyISU said:
The other piece to that is how productive the salary people running the line get. It'll be pretty slow going for the first couple weeks but if this drags on a month or more I don't think there will be a big difference in productivity other than there being fewer people on the line.
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And if there truly are big parts supply issues they can deal with a lot less production.
 
mramseyISU said:
The other piece to that is how productive the salary people running the line get. It'll be pretty slow going for the first couple weeks but if this drags on a month or more I don't think there will be a big difference in productivity other than there being fewer people on the line.
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Engine Works produced more engines in October than Sep, that was shocking for me to see.
 
CyJack13 said:
Engine Works produced more engines in October than Sep, that was shocking for me to see.
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Engine hasn't really skipped a beat running but not much has been happening in the other buildings until yesterday from what I can gather. Going to start everything else up tomorrow from the sounds of it.
 
mramseyISU said:
Engine hasn't really skipped a beat running but not much has been happening in the other buildings until yesterday from what I can gather. Going to start everything else up tomorrow from the sounds of it.
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That makes sense, engine works does not have a lot of high skill assembly work. Either it’s automated or a simple task that can be learned in a day or so.
 
MeowingCows said:
And JD is lying by implying they can't give more to their workers, when all objective measure of their profits would state otherwise. Union knows they have great leverage, leverage they may never have again for decades. If they're ever going to shoot their shot, it's now or never.

I'd rather side with liars who are like me over liars whose standards of living I'll never achieve in my entire lifetime, if I'm forced to make that choice. At least one group of liars would have my own back and interests.
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That's a little disingenuous isn't it? This isn't a one year deal. JD's profits indicate they can give more right now. There is nothing to say they can give more in 2022 or beyond. Locking in for a multi-year contract based on one of their most profitable years is irresponsible. So, if the deal were to be about getting much more this year and either determining what it will be next year when the time comes, sure. But for all we know, JD could fall on hard times in 2022. The world's messed up right now, stranger things have happened.
 
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CyJack13 said:
That makes sense, engine works does not have a lot of high skill assembly work. Either it’s automated or a simple task that can be learned in a day or so.
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I sat at Engineworks for a while and it never ceased to amaze me at how automated that factory was. The engine block and cylinder head machining was insane.
 
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agrabes said:
That's a little disingenuous isn't it? This isn't a one year deal. JD's profits indicate they can give more right now. There is nothing to say they can give more in 2022 or beyond. Locking in for a multi-year contract based on one of their most profitable years is irresponsible. So, if the deal were to be about getting much more this year and either determining what it will be next year when the time comes, sure. But for all we know, JD could fall on hard times in 2022. The world's messed up right now, stranger things have happened.
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That's for JD to assess and figure out. Labor negotiations are a snapshot in time, and that snapshot is right now. Sure, it's not a one-year deal, but it's not a twenty-year deal either. It's on JD to perform their own forecasting and know what they can sustainably work with.

Also, if we're being real, I don't exactly see JD collapsing any time soon.
 
MeowingCows said:
There's no such thing as "enough". Only "more" or "less".
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I think we're just talking past each other. I mean I'm curious to see what is enough to get the votes to go over 50%. They offered more than they did the first time. That's all I'm saying.
 
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BryceC said:
I think we're just talking past each other. I mean I'm curious to see what is enough to get the votes to go over 50%. They offered more than they did the first time. That's all I'm saying.
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Nah, I getcha. Honestly I thought they would either take, or be very close to taking that offer. I'm guessing the thought is they have more leverage to use up yet (and I get that, too).
 
mramseyISU said:
www.bloomberg.com

Deere Takes Hard Line After Workers Reject Second Offer

Deere & Co. said the new contract it provided to striking union employees is the company’s best and final offer, and they aren’t returning to the bargaining table.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

So are they bluffing or are they just going to let this thing simmer for a couple weeks?
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Strike Pay isn't going to go very far and bills are going to start to pile up.
If JD is getting enough production to get by, they might be content to wait the workers out.
 
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DSMCy said:
Strike Pay isn't going to go very far and bills are going to start to pile up.
If JD is getting enough production to get by, they might be content to wait the workers out.
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Agreed. And the more it drags on, the more some workers may entertain the thought of crossing the line and then it will just snow ball to where the union will have to agree on terms.
 
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