Monday Night with a Teacher

No, its much worse now than when I started teaching 33 years ago. When my wife and I attended the small rural district that I am now teaching in the ratio of good kids to trouble makers was about 8 to 1, now its 1 to 1. In my small graduating class of 34, 32 of us went home to our biological parents, the other two, one of the moms had passed away from cancer and the other couple divorced. Today less than half the kids I teach daily live with both their parents.
40 years ago we grew up with stay at home moms, today its rare.

The worst thing you do ever do to me as a student was call me parents, not today. Today, parents will come in, saying that their kids did nothing wrong, and it was the teacher that caused the whole mess. Now its not all the parents, there are still some trying their hardest to make their kid behave, buts its way to many. I would say 30% of my time in some classes is dealing with kids that do not care about what I am teaching, and do not want to learn it. They all just want to get out and go to work, hell today I had a student tell the class that it was silly to learn science and English, he was going to drive a gravel truck and would use neither for his job.

Rural America really is a ********. T’s, P’s, and Delta.
 
No, its much worse now than when I started teaching 33 years ago. When my wife and I attended the small rural district that I am now teaching in the ratio of good kids to trouble makers was about 8 to 1, now its 1 to 1. In my small graduating class of 34, 32 of us went home to our biological parents, the other two, one of the moms had passed away from cancer and the other couple divorced. Today less than half the kids I teach daily live with both their parents.
40 years ago we grew up with stay at home moms, today its rare.

The worst thing you do ever do to me as a student was call me parents, not today. Today, parents will come in, saying that their kids did nothing wrong, and it was the teacher that caused the whole mess. Now its not all the parents, there are still some trying their hardest to make their kid behave, buts its way to many. I would say 30% of my time in some classes is dealing with kids that do not care about what I am teaching, and do not want to learn it. They all just want to get out and go to work, hell today I had a student tell the class that it was silly to learn science and English, he was going to drive a gravel truck and would use neither for his job.

What you are describing crosses all lines, rural and metro. I know this because my wife's mother taught for over 30 years in Des Moines, and has parroted what you just said about small town schools. She has said the worse all started with the rise in single parent households. She has a master's in ed, shakes her head and says many of these kids leave not being able to spell masters let alone know it's purpose. Maybe a bit of a stretch because of her frustration.......but not much. The only difference is these metro kids don't want to work either.
 
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I was in a single parent household (parents divorced--both involved) and like to think I turned out fine.

Plenty of classmates and friends and family were in the same boat and did the same.

Plenty of them that had both parents in the household had a harder time and still do from years of forced happiness.

Many of the nicest kids I've worked with were in split families or actual single parent situations, the opposite for those in the 'ideal' situation.

What's perceived from the outside in either case isn't reality for anyone.
 
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My wife is an elementary teacher. During our evening conversations, I get to hear about her day which usually centers around kids in school. Most nights it varies, but lately Monday nights have been a lot of examples of deprogramming kids from their weekend excesses, especially negotiating.

I don't know exactly what happens at home with these kids, and it isn't every kid, but there must be a lot of negotiating at home. I can only imagine that maybe parents say its bedtime and the kids negotiate to stay up later, or maybe push back on what is for supper, or maybe don't want to do chores, or when to get up in the morning, or want a snack before dinner, or... but - holy cow - Mondays for her end up being a lot of retraining kids on the expectations of being in a class room with a few 'because I said so' sprinkled in just to keep the classroom on track.
welcome to primary care giver parenting!
 
I was in a single parent household (parents divorced--both involved)

Both involved. The kids my MIL is speaking of didn't even have that. Never married, multiple children from different fathers who are never involved. This is what she says is the key to the breakdown. I'm not a teacher, she has the master's. I will defer to her on this.
 
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My wife was a teacher associate for a few years at a middle school. The kids she would work with would improve throughout the week, but the weekend was like a reset button. All of their bad habits would return on Monday.
“Sounds like somebody’s got a case of the Monday’s”. Lol just kidding thank you teachers you put up with to much **** cause of bad parenting and are underpaid to boot IMO.
 
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Suspensions should be served in a room, the size of a coat closet, by themselves. Or for big schools, a room supervised with whomever and allowed no interaction. That would be true punishment. Make them do their assignments and then sit quietly with nothing else besides a book to read.



They do that. Sometimes it works. Sometimes they act worse in that room.
 
Both involved. The kids my MIL is speaking of didn't even have that. Never married, multiple children from different fathers who are never involved. This is what she says is the key to the breakdown. I'm not a teacher, she has the master's. I will defer to her on this.
Being involved is the key, we have too many parents today working jobs they hate, lots of yours, mine and ours families out there, and they either just cannot find the time or really do not care to parent their children.

On my way to work this morning, I drove by a house at work, I see the granddad out picking up a bike in the front yard, the bike was left there overnight by his grandson, a student that I have in the 7th grade.
The kid could not even bother putting it in the garage for God sake, and today in class he wanted to sleep throughout the period.

Grand dad doesn't have the ability to discipline the kid, dad is out of the picture, mom just lets him run the streets. The kid is a smart kid, running with the wrong crowd and before you know it, will be breaking the law.

The circle just is never broken.
 
I am 42 and definitely was raised by "boomers" but we are not raising spoiled brats in our house and I love it that we got an email from our oldest kid's teacher who is in 2nd grade. Her teacher had nothing but great things to share with us how our daughter is a leader in the class and respects everyone and does what is asked of her the 1st time. Made us feel really proud as parents that we are raising our kids to respect their teacher.

We even had to navigate the mask topic as we gave her the decision to wear one to start the school year after having a lengthy discussion about Covid. She choose not to wear a mask to start the school year then when our 4 year old got Covid from daycare we made her wear a mask to school. She didn't complain and She has been so diligent about wearing it that even when they take pictures or are outside she still has her mask on even though we told her it was OK to pull it down for pictures.

Just spend time with your kids and form a relationship with them. I have found the more time I spend with them and interest I show they will respect me when I have to enforce discipline.
 
I cannot imagine how many things I wouldn't have been allowed to do and how many chores I would be assigned at 5 in the morning had I done that. The school punishment would have been the least of my worries.

We don't have kids yet but we've discussed a lot of the struggles around devices both in terms of usage and when and what kids get exposed to. I have no idea how you're supposed to handle it in this day and age but my instincts say to expose them to a lot and help them understand which of those things are right and wrong. I've seen a lot of kids exposed to nothing until they're in high school or so and then they have no idea how to manage themselves.

Bolded was my reason to stay in line (Wasn't much of a hell raiser anyway). Went to a small enough school that whatever happened was back to your parents before you were. Parents who are willing to admit their kids aren't perfect and will help discipline/ help their children grow would solve 95% of these problems. If there was a difference between me and a school teacher/ administrator my folks would back them, unless it could be proven I was 100% right.
 
We joke about this but we were appalled to learn that not only is cursive long gone in the curriculum but somewhere between my daughter and my son they axed spelling. Didn't we have enough people who couldn't spell their way out of a wet paper bag before when we were actually attempting to teach it? Now I guess we expect that they will get it close enough that spell checker will be able to substitute the correct word. Yeah, that is working out real well for people who are at least decent at spelling. Should be a real winner for people who don't have a clue.



Yep, nothing like a "pier" group decision making committee :rolleyes: . We had a gal at my last job who loved being the secretary for committees (kept her off the line) couldn't spell a lick and the spell check committee notes were always "interesting"
 
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Both involved. The kids my MIL is speaking of didn't even have that. Never married, multiple children from different fathers who are never involved. This is what she says is the key to the breakdown. I'm not a teacher, she has the master's. I will defer to her on this.

Yep and like my response said, folks who's parents weren't involved also thrived.

I have a master's too so I guess I'm qualified to defer to my own experiences and observations.
 
We moved from MN to IA last year. A couple weeks ago, the mom of one of my daughters MN classmates messaged my wife on FB:

“What’s your daughters FB account? Lauren wants to friend her so they can chat on messenger.”

These girls are 6.

(No, my daughter doesn’t have FB, or a smartphone. Nor will she for many, many years.)
 
People and kids have always sucked in some capacity. Problem is the world has changed so much in the last 30 years most older people are completely unqualified or disinterested in handling today's childhood problems. We're all too busy.
 
Plenary of problems with kids and parents today but let’s not pretend that past generations were any better. Lol
Yeah, I remember when my cousin’s son was little (probably in kindergarten or first grade) he had a problem where he would hug his classmates during class. And the teachers were working with him because it was a distraction and he shouldn’t be hugging people without their consent. My aunt was telling my grandpa about it and he laughed and said when he was about that age he and his friends tied a classmate to a tree during recess ... but he was pretty sure they untied him before they went back inside.
 
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