*** Official Iowa State Season Thread ***

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Bolton might not be an efficient PG, but he's doing exactly what CSP and our offense ask him to do. Our offense is mainly PNR, high ball screens and the weave. When our other 3 players in a 4 out system are typically STANDING FLAT FOOTED on the 3 point line- hard for the PG to be a distributor.
Prohm is asking too much of Bolton, yes. That’s clear and obvious

To say Bolton’s distribution is poor because of the spaced three point shooters is an interesting take on Pick and Roll offense.

Pick and Roll is all predicated on what your Ball handler and screener do and how the defense defends it. Bolton is the straw the stirs the drink. Those shooters are waiting for him.

When ball movement is at its best - Bolton or the roller has the ball in the paint. That leads to a kick out and reversal. And recently the ball has made its way back to Bolton for an open 3

When movement is at its worst - Bolton’s high screen doesn’t work and he tries to Hero ball a drive into the lane-ish while everyone’s feet are in cement.

Late in last nights game. Bolton got a high screen from Solo. The defense switched the screen. That left Bolton defended by a big and solo by a guard. A mismatch for both. Bolton doesn’t recognize this, or doesn’t care, and quickly passes to a guard out front that leads to nothing.

In that moment Bolton needs to understand the mismatch and exploit the defense for making that decision. (Oklahoma killed us on switching screens) You’d think we’d learn something. That’s what leads me to my previous comments that Bolton has not developed as a PG.
 

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Prohm is asking too much of Bolton, yes. That’s clear and obvious

To say Bolton’s distribution is poor because of the spaced three point shooters is an interesting take on Pick and Roll offense.

Pick and Roll is all predicated on what your Ball handler and screener do and how the defense defends it. Bolton is the straw the stirs the drink. Those shooters are waiting for him.

When ball movement is at its best - Bolton or the roller has the ball in the paint. That leads to a kick out and reversal. And recently the ball has made its way back to Bolton for an open 3

When movement is at its worst - Bolton’s high screen doesn’t work and he tries to Hero ball a drive into the lane-ish while everyone’s feet are in cement.

Late in last nights game. Bolton got a high screen from Solo. The defense switched the screen. That left Bolton defended by a big and solo by a guard. A mismatch for both. Bolton doesn’t recognize this, or doesn’t care, and quickly passes to a guard out front that leads to nothing.

In that moment Bolton needs to understand the mismatch and exploit the defense for making that decision. (Oklahoma killed us on switching screens) You’d think we’d learn something. That’s what leads me to my previous comments that Bolton has not developed as a PG.

Just watch our offense. There is very little off ball movement. Sure our post might come up to set a high ball screen. But the other 3 guys are typically standing on the 3 point line. It is not tough for the opponent to guard our 3 point shooters. They can basically stand between Bolton and the shooters. They don't have to worry much about a Cyclone perimeter player cutting to the basket.

Guys standing on the 3 point line is also a big reason why we are horrible at offensive rebounds. Hard to rebound 18 feet from the basket. Just sending a post isn't enough bodies.

Bolton's #1 responsibility is to score. If he can't score then he is a passer. He is a volume shooting PG, not a distributor first PG. You might not approve, but that is on CSP.

Bolton isn't perfect. But he is as close to an All Big 12 player as anyone on our squad. And I would be surprised if any other Cyclone gets any All Big 12 mention.
 

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As true fans, let's all stay as positive as humanly possible, and not take it out on the players who give 100% despite an awful season. They have to feel beat down by their record, their playing, and the covid, they do not need to feel beat down by the fans. I admire the fact that Bolton gives it his all, all of the time! They all seem like good kids!

Unfortunately, that shark was jumped about 4 years ago. When the team was winning, these folks were quiet.

imagine thinking that ripping on Rah, and the kids that are on the team is any sort of a good look.

but hey, Kentucky fans are worse.

Jesus
 

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I can’t believe all of the Bolton sleight. The dude is a baller in all phases. He is most definitely a top guard in the league. He is averaging 16.6/5.3/4.5 this year. As a comparison Tyrese Halliburton averaged 15.2/5.9/6.5. I’m not saying Bolton is Tyrese but he’s a damn good player.

What’s sad is that he leads the team in rebounding...
 

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I can’t believe all of the Bolton sleight. The dude is a baller in all phases. He is most definitely a top guard in the league. He is averaging 16.6/5.3/4.5 this year. As a comparison Tyrese Halliburton averaged 15.2/5.9/6.5. I’m not saying Bolton is Tyrese but he’s a damn good player.

What’s sad is that he leads the team in rebounding...

Rasir is exactly that player and is trying to lead this team in a very turbulent season. If you put a seasoned point guard next to him and an efficient, skilled big man he would truly finish. Maybe we have that in Foster. Just not sure how seasoned Hunter will be as a Frosh.
 
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I can’t believe all of the Bolton sleight. The dude is a baller in all phases. He is most definitely a top guard in the league. He is averaging 16.6/5.3/4.5 this year. As a comparison Tyrese Halliburton averaged 15.2/5.9/6.5. I’m not saying Bolton is Tyrese but he’s a damn good player.

What’s sad is that he leads the team in rebounding...

It’s really a bad look.
 

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Rasir is exactly player and is trying to lead this team in a very turbulent season. If you put a season point guard next to him and an efficient, skilled big man he would truly finish. Maybe we have that in Foster. Just not sure how seasoned Hunter will be as a Frosh.

I would say there is a lot of unknowns on next year’s roster, like who will be here. Once we find that out, it will be much easier to determine what anyone’s role will be.
 

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I can’t believe all of the Bolton sleight. The dude is a baller in all phases. He is most definitely a top guard in the league. He is averaging 16.6/5.3/4.5 this year. As a comparison Tyrese Halliburton averaged 15.2/5.9/6.5. I’m not saying Bolton is Tyrese but he’s a damn good player.

What’s sad is that he leads the team in rebounding...

This is also with him basically playing out of position. He's asked to do a lot of things that don't necessarily play to his strengths. He isn't perfect but he also isn't the problem.
 

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Prohm is asking too much of Bolton, yes. That’s clear and obvious

To say Bolton’s distribution is poor because of the spaced three point shooters is an interesting take on Pick and Roll offense.

Pick and Roll is all predicated on what your Ball handler and screener do and how the defense defends it. Bolton is the straw the stirs the drink. Those shooters are waiting for him.

When ball movement is at its best - Bolton or the roller has the ball in the paint. That leads to a kick out and reversal. And recently the ball has made its way back to Bolton for an open 3

When movement is at its worst - Bolton’s high screen doesn’t work and he tries to Hero ball a drive into the lane-ish while everyone’s feet are in cement.

Late in last nights game. Bolton got a high screen from Solo. The defense switched the screen. That left Bolton defended by a big and solo by a guard. A mismatch for both. Bolton doesn’t recognize this, or doesn’t care, and quickly passes to a guard out front that leads to nothing.

In that moment Bolton needs to understand the mismatch and exploit the defense for making that decision. (Oklahoma killed us on switching screens) You’d think we’d learn something. That’s what leads me to my previous comments that Bolton has not developed as a PG.
Just so I understand your thinking, who do you think are good point guards in our league and across the country are?
 

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I mean hes not a good point guard. He isn't a point guard at all. He is our best player but he wouldn't be on point if our roster construction wasn't garbage. He is there because we dont have a choice. He is being asked to play a role he is natually not, and while he is serviceable, he should not be the primary point guard, and wouldn't be on any good team.

Hopefully this season is good experience for him and his future. If you had to rank the last 8 starting point guards we have had Bolton might be better than some or even many of them overall, but probably not at the point guard spot. He would probably be towards the bottom. Diante, lucious, Royce, kane, monte ,hali, babb....

Im glad we have him tho, can you imagine how bad we would be without him?
 
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Rebuild takes time. Gotta be patient with a new staff.
New staff or no, this team is looking at returning just George Conditt for bigs next year. Xf is 7' but he's not a 5. You think they get eaten alive in the paint now, I shudder to think what it could be like next year, and that's with or without Prohm.
 

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This is also with him basically playing out of position. He's asked to do a lot of things that don't necessarily play to his strengths. He isn't perfect but he also isn't the problem.

I don’t know why this is even a topic. He’s playing out of position, asked to do too much. He’s a good player, and we will never really know how good he really is because he’s in a bad spot. He’s a really good player. Reminds me of Ronnie Harris a little , good player on a rotten team.
 

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New staff or no, this team is looking at returning just George Conditt for bigs next year. Xf is 7' but he's not a 5. You think they get eaten alive in the paint now, I shudder to think what it could be like next year, and that's with or without Prohm.

i would most definitely reserve judgement on what next years roster will look like until the dust settles after this summer
 
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I just feel sad for the players. This isn't what anyone wants. There is no development. Most players have regressed. Terrible. Need new leadership now!
 

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i would most definitely reserve judgement on what next years roster will look like until the dust settles after this summer
It is probably a moot point right now. A lot of movement could be coming down the pipe, or not much at all.
 

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I’m not trying to argue with you. The coaching sucks no doubt about it. But some of this is on the players. Rebounding is 90% effort and will. I have seen middle school teams rebound with more intensity. When you have 4 Cyclones around the rebound and the lone TCU guy gets it more than once then I’m not sure what coaches can do there.

I don't disagree with you. However, again, this team sucks at rebounding to a tremendous degree. He put the team together and he coaches the team. If he has the wrong guys or can't motivate them it's on him.
 
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That's a deceiving stat. Bolton is definitely not some high-level distributor. He just has more opportunities by dominating the ball-handling.

He has the 5th highest assist rate in the conference which removes any sort of dominating the ball handling arguments. Of the players who average more than 20% assist rate (there are currently 14 of them) he's 6th in TO rate, so he's doing just fine on that as well.


And of course he's dominating the ball handling. He's got the best handles on the team.

He's not Monte, but he's perfectly fine at distributing the ball. Again, it's hard to know how much to actually pin on him since we don't run an offense that gets the ball flowing. Every assist he gets he has to create on his own.
 

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There is a real possibility that Prohm is going to earn $1.2 million for each win this year. That would have to be the highest number in D-1 history for a basketball program.
 
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