Or now imagine if Fred would have made up his mind much earlier and we would have had time to be in the peak market time for a coach. Would we have hired Prohm?
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The entire hypothetical situation is moot because Fred didn't want to be the head coach for Iowa State any longer. I can 100% agree with that.
What I can't agree with is the notion that "well we'll never know if it was sustainable or not". I mean we had just made 4 straight NCAA tournaments, were continuing our success in being one of the best markets for transfers, and were just starting to become a consistent brand of basketball for high school recruits to come play at. Pardon me for thinking that wasn't going to come crashing to the ground.
No one ever said it would come crashing to the ground, and there is no reason to pardon you because:
And I can agree %100 with that.
Well, my main point of contention with him is that he was on staff with GMAC, just like T.J here. However, unless I am mistaken he was hired by Altman and was at Creighton before GMAC. So for me....that would make him my choice over T.J. Other than that I really haven't followed him at all. He is tearing it up at Drake. He's worth a look. I think him, T.J., Scott Nagy and Craig Smith are all worth a look.
They are better than they were last year and I think you will see them get a lot better next year. I think they have a couple good pieces and they will add a good recruiting class including a 5 star. I think Banton, Allen and McGowen are all good players but they also have a lot of crap. Nebraska is a much tougher place to win than ISU. I mean, they have probably been to the NCAA tournament only a handful of times. I don't think Fred would have gotten to the tournament at ISU until his 3rd year if Royce White liked flying.
I don’t really care. I haven’t spent any time dissecting the ******* nebraska roster.
But nothing I’ve seen from Fred since 2015 makes me think he’s going to have lasting success in coaching.
I can agree w/ your comment, H. But, that's exactly the point. The projecting some are doing re: Fred's trajectory are straw-man's as well. We don't know where the program would have gone. I suggest Fred was great for ISU, but we'll actually never know where the program would have gone. Larry E. had the best two seasons ever for ISU BB, and things didn't keep on that trajectory. Not saying that means Fred wouldn't have, just that we don't know. I bet you and I can at least agree that we'd be much better off if Fred were still here, and we'll hopefully be better off with a new coach - I think we're all ready to give that a shot.
P.S. I'm hoping for a coach who loves O but also D & rebounding. I don't know if that combo exists anymore, frankly, but I can dream... no idea who would be a great pick, but I'm looking forward to the hope it will bring... just hope it's this spring...
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Well I don’t care enough to have intimate knowledge of nebraska basketball like you do.
The only thing I can add to this discussion is that when making a determination on the direction of the program, throw this year out. Throw. It. Out.
Generally speaking, the teams that are playing the best are the veteran ones. Those with an influx of first year players are struggling. Has anyone noticed that Duke, NC, and Kentucky are ALL outside the top 25? It is not a coincidence. There were no overseas trips this summer, very little scrimmaging, and the non-conference schedule all but got cancelled.
It's February and we've only played 11 games. Eleven. Last year we played our 11th game December 22nd. There may be issues within our program, but using this year as proof is a fool's game.
Last year was a dumpster fire in large part because no one expected THT to leave so soon. He would have made a HUGE difference. We've got a solid freshman class with more on the way. IMO, next year is the make or break year.
That's my $0.02. Carry on.
Generally speaking, the teams that are playing the best are the veteran ones. Those with an influx of first year players are struggling. Has anyone noticed that Duke, NC, and Kentucky are ALL outside the top 25? It is not a coincidence. There were no overseas trips this summer, very little scrimmaging, and the non-conference schedule all but got cancelled.
It's February and we've only played 11 games. Eleven. Last year we played our 11th game December 22nd. There may be issues within our program, but using this year as proof is a fool's game.
Last year was a dumpster fire in large part because no one expected THT to leave so soon. He would have made a HUGE difference. We've got a solid freshman class with more on the way. IMO, next year is the make or break year.
That's my $0.02. Carry on.
Why does it matter that I don’t think the nebraska basketball program is going to be successful?!?
I agree %100 and the reason Iowa early was making bank. While being good, you see now as the season unfolds teams with newbies are catching up. But you need to be careful with telling ISU fans throw away this season, unless you want a riot. Because if you throw out this year, and give Steve a mulligan for year 3 due to rebuild......then that would mean he has had one bad year. ONE.....last year. Oh they can scream "underachieve" all they want at 23 wins and conference tourney hardware. A coach isn't going to get canned for that. So if JP does throw away this year, then Steve is going nowhere unless he has made that decision himself, and if he hasn't.....oh boy will this site go into orbit. Fun times on CF for sure!
Eustancy took some leftover Floyd recruits who already knew how to play defense, added the best point guard in school history, and recruited some other role players to fit his style. Thats how he won 2 championships.
Then he started drinking with co-eds every night. Its not even remotely close to the same situation as what Fred built, to offer Eustachy as evidence of Freds demise if he stayed is ridiculous.
I think it’s less about the exact same situation snd more about how you just never know.
What in the last 6 years makes you think Hoiberg would have continued his success and grown it?
