What to do with Coach Prohm Poll..

[IP Guy]

I can't believe I'm writing this, but the smoke coming from both Ames and Wichita has me realizing change is likely imminent.

Serious question that I'm surprised that the Fredaholic part of the fanbase hasn't raised it yet. Why not just hire Fred back? I mean, he has to have already figured out that it will be harder to win at Nebraska than ISU. Yeah, his wife also hated living in Ames/Gilbert (similar to what we heard about CSP's wife), but they'd be smarter this time around and live in Ankeny (like TJ did and likely would again) to be part of a bigger community / closer to DSM.

Bring in the McGowen brothers; keep Foster, Bolton and Hunter; bring in Matt A the handler to keep the pipeline going and see if you can keep Kane. TBH, I'd prefer that over TJ.

 

[jsb]

I don't want TJ. But I think this is incredibly unfair and untrue. Honestly I think it's shameful.

I said it wasn’t fair.

 

[CycloneErik]

I can't believe I'm writing this, but the smoke coming from both Ames and Wichita has me realizing change is likely imminent.

Serious question that I'm surprised that the Fredaholic part of the fanbase hasn't raised it yet. Why not just hire Fred back? I mean, he has to have already figured out that it will be harder to win at Nebraska than ISU. Yeah, his wife also hated living in Ames/Gilbert (similar to what we heard about CSP's wife), but they'd be smarter this time around and live in Ankeny (like TJ did and likely would again) to be part of a bigger community / closer to DSM.

Bring in the McGowen brothers; keep Foster, Bolton and Hunter; bring in Matt A the handler to keep the pipeline going and see if you can keep Kane. TBH, I'd prefer that over TJ.

Oh, that's my dream. I don't see it, but I have no reason why.

 

[NoCreativity]

I can't believe I'm writing this, but the smoke coming from both Ames and Wichita has me realizing change is likely imminent.

Serious question that I'm surprised that the Fredaholic part of the fanbase hasn't raised it yet. Why not just hire Fred back? I mean, he has to have already figured out that it will be harder to win at Nebraska than ISU. Yeah, his wife also hated living in Ames/Gilbert (similar to what we heard about CSP's wife), but they'd be smarter this time around and live in Ankeny (like TJ did and likely would again) to be part of a bigger community / closer to DSM.

Bring in the McGowen brothers; keep Foster, Bolton and Hunter; bring in Matt A the handler to keep the pipeline going and see if you can keep Kane. TBH, I'd prefer that over TJ.

He won't come back now is why. That ship sailed two years ago when Pollard decided to give Prohm an extension after the worst coaching job I've ever seen.

 

[jsb]

He won't come back now is why. That ship sailed two years ago when Pollard decided to give Prohm an extension after the worst coaching job I've ever seen.

For ***** sake, hoiberg was never coming back.

 

[Sigmapolis]

I can't believe I'm writing this, but the smoke coming from both Ames and Wichita has me realizing change is likely imminent.

Serious question that I'm surprised that the Fredaholic part of the fanbase hasn't raised it yet. Why not just hire Fred back? I mean, he has to have already figured out that it will be harder to win at Nebraska than ISU. Yeah, his wife also hated living in Ames/Gilbert (similar to what we heard about CSP's wife), but they'd be smarter this time around and live in Ankeny (like TJ did and likely would again) to be part of a bigger community / closer to DSM.

Bring in the McGowen brothers; keep Foster, Bolton and Hunter; bring in Matt A the handler to keep the pipeline going and see if you can keep Kane. TBH, I'd prefer that over TJ.

Pretty sure that bus has sailed. Not sure Fred and the Hoiberg family want back into the fishbowl.

Plus, Hoiberg's buyout would be in the neighborhood of $8.75 million after this season.

Any of the MWC guys we are maybe considering (e.g., Craig Smith, TJ, or a MVC guy like DeVries) would be more like $2 million or even less than that. I know which is more in Pollard's acceptable price range.

 

[NoCreativity]

For ***** sake, hoiberg was never coming back.

Not now, but 2 years ago the odds were 50/50 I'd say if Prohm would have left for Alabama. Fred was obviously looking for another college job and ISU would have been looking for a new coach. I'm not saying it would have happened but I guarantee you calls would have been made on both sides.

 

[Sigmapolis]

He won't come back now is why. That ship sailed two years ago when Pollard decided to give Prohm an extension after the worst coaching job I've ever seen.

Look, we've all heard that exciting but unsubstantiated rumor that Prohm was halfway out the door for Alabama and Fred called Jamie to ask for his old job back and Jamie said "no" and gave Prohm an extension instead.

Problem is... there's no evidence for it, and none of the reporters around the program have ever even implied it. All of them (CW, Hines, etc.) have made it pretty clear Fred doesn't want to come back to Ames again.

It is time to move on.

 

[NoCreativity]

Look, we've all heard that exciting but unsubstantiated rumor that Prohm was halfway out the door for Alabama and Fred called Jamie to ask for his old job back and Jamie said "no" and gave Prohm an extension instead.

Problem is... there's no evidence for it, and none of the reporters around the program have ever even implied it. All of them (CW, Hines, etc.) have made it pretty clear Fred doesn't want to come back to Ames again.

It is time to move on.

I have moved on, I dont even want him back at this point because I think the game has changed since he left the first time. I'm just stating the obvious that if the timing was right it might have worked out again.

Personally if we can't land a big name I want Craig Smith, ive seen them play a couple times and seem extremely well coached.

 

[xboxfever]

Fred is never coaching at ISU again. Him and his wife hated there time back in Ames. They couldn’t go anywhere without people constantly bothering them and their kids. He’s a big celebrity in Ames and he doesn’t want that lifestyle. Him and his family want to blend in with everyone when they’re out and about. They had no privacy being back in Ames.

 

[Drew0311]

I just want some excitement back. Honestly our game is boring. We used to get up and down the court. Now we don't even do that. We just lose and score 65 or so a game. If the rumors are true about Prohm to Witch state, then it would work out for both programs. I seriously don't think I have ever wished we had Drakes coach but he seems to be a winner. There are also a lot of other coaches that have a good track record. Shoot get Kelvin Sampson. He cheated but he didn't cheat horribly.

 

[ISUChippewa]

I think to an extent no one was going to get a totally fair shot after Hoiberg. I think Prohms resume is more why people weren’t excited. We had someone with connections brought in and ready to go. We then changed course for someone who frankly wasn’t that impressive.

I will echo again that Prohm had two NBA PGs in his four years there and managed the NCAA one time.

It's coming back around to beating a dead horse, but in the context of this thread it's not going to hurt to beat it again some more; It is a vocal minority of fans (although put some emphasis on the vocal part) that decided to be against CSP from Day One. There are some fans on here who still express disappointment with the Sweet Sixteen season back in '16, CSP's first season. Whether that's due to perceived underperforming in the Big 12 or the relative ignominy of beating two double-digit seeds to get there, if you look in the right thread you can still find some people who were and are unhappy with that season.

Some of these same people have also openly written that they feel the previous season, Hoiberg's last season when we won the Big 12 tournament but then also lost as a #3 seed who had been as hot as any other team in the country to a much less talented #14 seed, was and is a better season then the Sweet 16 season. I don't know how you can make that argument with a straight face, but it does get made every now and then.

IMO, when you feel a season that ended with an upset loss in the first round to a #14 seed is a better season than one that ends in the Sweet Sixteen, the reason you feel that way is because you made up your mind to dislike the new coach from the very beginning, whether it's because you worship at the altar of the old one or for other reasons.

And before I start taking on fire, let me write that although in the past I had been a big Prohm defender that based on last season and this current one that I am fully on favor of moving on and finding a new head coach. He has had some really nice moments here during his tenure, but even our season just two years ago feels like a lifetime ago now. To quote the late, great Owen Hart, "Enough is enough, and it's time for a change."

 

[Sigmapolis]

I have moved on, I dont even want him back at this point because I think the game has changed since he left the first time. I'm just stating the obvious that if the timing was right it might have worked out again.

Personally if we can't land a big name I want Craig Smith, ive seen them play a couple times and seem extremely well coached.

Alright, I guess we more-or-less agree then.

I agree there was the outward appearance of the circumstances for Fred to return two years ago, but the problem was none of the major parties involved wanted it to happen and so none of them did. Prohm wanted to stay in Ames instead of heading to Tuscaloosa after winning the Big 12 tournament, Fred did not want to come back and jump right back into the fishbowl in Ames, and Pollard did not want Prohm to leave after a year that mostly went well.

So... it was never going to happen.

I agree that Craig Smith would be a very solid choice. He seems to run a tight ship (in contrast to Hoiberg and Prohm) on and off the court, and he has plenty of midwestern ties even if he's never coached in Ames. The only thing that gives me pause is he only has three years of experience at a high-major program (three years on Nebraska's staff during the Tim Miles era), but you are never going to find that "perfect" guy at the mid-major level like that.

 

[Rabbuk]

Prohm is bad regardless of his hypothetical welcome

 

[jsb]

Not now, but 2 years ago the odds were 50/50 I'd say if Prohm would have left for Alabama. Fred was obviously looking for another college job and ISU would have been looking for a new coach. I'm not saying it would have happened but I guarantee you calls would have been made on both sides.

I don’t believe that for a second.

 

[Drew0311]

I think the other thing is "I would rather go 22-8 and overacheieve" than go "22-8 and Underachieve". Right now I really don't see us doing either at any point. We are just not even doing anything but losing. I felt Fred's first year he did way better than I expected and I was happy about it. Plus, I saw a future with our transfers. Right now I just don't see a good future. I don't see the Freshman doing anything. I don't see us having a big guy who can compete. I don't think Xavier is a typical big man. I think X will end up being a good player. Even with McDermott, I had some hope every year, until I didn't and Creighton came calling.

 

[IP Guy]

Pretty sure that bus has sailed. Not sure Fred and the Hoiberg family want back into the fishbowl.

Plus, Hoiberg's buyout would be in the neighborhood of $8.75 million after this season.

Any of the MWC guys we are maybe considering (e.g., Craig Smith, TJ, or a MVC guy like DeVries) would be more like $2 million or even less than that. I know which is more in Pollard's acceptable price range.

Fair point on the buyout. Jaimie wouldn't pay that for anyone, and Nebraska isn't going to fire Fred (at least not in the next two years).

 

[heitclone]

Ehhh...it didn’t work with McDermott. Maybe it was hoiberg and not TJ.

He brought in guys that even Prohm could win with...Matt, Naz...he was crucial in landing Georges IIRC...

 

[jsb]

He brought in guys that even Prohm could win with...Matt, Naz...he was crucial in landing Georges IIRC...

I'm pretty sure it was mostly Hoiberg with Georges, but TJ probably got us in the door.

 

[BryceC]

I said it wasn’t fair.

It's not just that it's not fair. You're saying you think Otz actively rooted for his own players that he recruited and clearly cared about to fail. That's not just unfair- it's offensive. Again, you can think that but it makes you an *******.