If we win a few games you are probably right. If we lose out I’m not sure how much better attendance is next year even with no restrictions.
What to do with Coach Prohm Poll..
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I find it hard to believe he isn’t gone after this season. If they end up winless in conference play (unlikely), he should be fired immediately after the last game. You can’t sell next season to fans with him as coach now, let alone if they go winless in conference play. It’s so sad how far he’s driven this program into the ground. It’s at a point where people just don’t care anymore. The great thing about basketball is that there is so many high and lows throughout a game and season that it makes the game so fun and enjoyable even when a team is bad, but Prohm has taken all the fun and joy of the game out of it and his teams aren’t even enjoyable in the slightest. They are badly coached and the talent just isn’t there to overcome bad coaching like some of his other teams. I used to sit through every game no matter how bad they were since I was a kid in the 90’s and I just have no desire to care about this team and it’s not the players fault. It’s Prohm and his horrific coaching. He has to go after this season or ISU basketball is gonna be cratered to a point where it may take 5-10 years to recover from.
Well, if that is true that would certainly make things more likely, like you said.
Part of me says cut the cord at the end of the season but in reality that isn't going to happen. We have a very young team and losing all of that development time is a massive blow. He will be back next year but it will be his last season if the team doesn't show tremendous growth.
I have watched ISU basketball religiously for the last 30 years. Even during the down years, there would always be a chance of pulling an upset. This year and last, i've had no real interest in watching. I don't even know when the next game is.
I bought in to Coach Prohm's plan in year 1 to not fix what isn't broken. In hindsight, it seems like he hasn't really had much of a plan in the first place. Those early teams underachieved and there has been no establishment of an identity. With Orr you knew what you were going to get year in and year out. LE and TF teams were tough and strategic. Hoiberg had a deep playbook. Prohm's teams have none of these. A change is needed.
All that said, i can't help but feel really bad for Coach Prohm's situation right now. Sure, he gets paid well, but the man has to be losing sleep at night knowing that nobody is happy, and there are no solutions. Sometimes you get in over your head, and there is nothing wrong with that. Time to resign and move on to a place where he can better succeed.
I bought in to Coach Prohm's plan in year 1 to not fix what isn't broken. In hindsight, it seems like he hasn't really had much of a plan in the first place. Those early teams underachieved and there has been no establishment of an identity. With Orr you knew what you were going to get year in and year out. LE and TF teams were tough and strategic. Hoiberg had a deep playbook. Prohm's teams have none of these. A change is needed.
All that said, i can't help but feel really bad for Coach Prohm's situation right now. Sure, he gets paid well, but the man has to be losing sleep at night knowing that nobody is happy, and there are no solutions. Sometimes you get in over your head, and there is nothing wrong with that. Time to resign and move on to a place where he can better succeed.
This is premised on the idea that they all come back. If history is any indicator, that wont happen.
I would love to see an AD step up the contract negotiations to include bonus decliners.
Every contract (FB & MBB) has escalator bonuses for: conf championship; NCAA appearance; deep NCAA, graduation rates, etc.
About time contracts also have deductions for underperformance. I understand no coach's agent would sign, but it's time to make a give-take proposal.
Every contract (FB & MBB) has escalator bonuses for: conf championship; NCAA appearance; deep NCAA, graduation rates, etc.
About time contracts also have deductions for underperformance. I understand no coach's agent would sign, but it's time to make a give-take proposal.
I am guessing at least two guys will leave. Plus you lose Young and Coleman-Lands.
Prohm has yet to lose a real contributor to a transfer.
Also, it seems from my memory, that Prohm hasn't started a season with a full roster due to: injuries, illnesses, medical issues, desertions / attrition. I'm not confident players we are counting on will make it for opening season.
I was hoping the games before TTU was the beginning of showing that growth. Then someone stuck a pin in the balloon. And maybe the TTU game was the outlier now and they will start playing more like they did against Baylor, WVU and UT and start winning a few games....I don't know. Right now I hope they do.....not to keep Prohm....but because it's ISU. If they don't....see you later CSP. If they do.....glad to have you CSP. And if by whatever miracle they do start winning.....I'm not going to be one of those here going.................................yeah but "REMEMBER FLORIDA A@M".
Here’s the best possible situation, IMO, from Prohm to succeed and begin a new phase of sustained success.
1. Understand this year is moot and run all strategies through a next year mindset.
2. Play the young core of Walker, Dubar, Dudley, Jackson as much as you can. Let Jaden run point.
3. Find some wins in Feb. You likely won’t win in January with the schedule, but for any confidence and momentum, some wins in Feb are a must. Cant lose out.
4. The day after you are bounced from the big 12 tourney, the new year begins. Prohm HAS to keep the young core intact, no transfers. If he sees the roster movement like the last couple of years, it’s over. Continuity and Tenure are formulas that win college basketball, we haven’t had that in 3 years. But has to start with a new core.
5. Conditt needs to show something, anything...that resembles a Junior in this league. Hopefully that success to end this year leads to a big offseason and solid SR year (because this team will need it)
6. Hunter and Hinson stay committed and are as advertised. If so, it brings better balance to the roles, shifts Bolton to his natural 2. Hinson becomes a bigger, better version of JCL.
If those things happen, full summer prep, fans at Hilton, Iowa at home, SEC opponent at home (hopefully) and and easier scheduled non con...then you may have something. Granted that is a lot to ask and no wiggle room, but that’s the reality CSP is in. So I am willing to see how Feb plays out, hopefully it’s the start of something.
1. Understand this year is moot and run all strategies through a next year mindset.
2. Play the young core of Walker, Dubar, Dudley, Jackson as much as you can. Let Jaden run point.
3. Find some wins in Feb. You likely won’t win in January with the schedule, but for any confidence and momentum, some wins in Feb are a must. Cant lose out.
4. The day after you are bounced from the big 12 tourney, the new year begins. Prohm HAS to keep the young core intact, no transfers. If he sees the roster movement like the last couple of years, it’s over. Continuity and Tenure are formulas that win college basketball, we haven’t had that in 3 years. But has to start with a new core.
5. Conditt needs to show something, anything...that resembles a Junior in this league. Hopefully that success to end this year leads to a big offseason and solid SR year (because this team will need it)
6. Hunter and Hinson stay committed and are as advertised. If so, it brings better balance to the roles, shifts Bolton to his natural 2. Hinson becomes a bigger, better version of JCL.
If those things happen, full summer prep, fans at Hilton, Iowa at home, SEC opponent at home (hopefully) and and easier scheduled non con...then you may have something. Granted that is a lot to ask and no wiggle room, but that’s the reality CSP is in. So I am willing to see how Feb plays out, hopefully it’s the start of something.
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Said the same thing regarding Conditt before the season started. It stinks that Foster is out because he could have really used the minutes to take his lumps this year.
Given COVID, what situation would you prefer for 21/22 season.
$50m in debt, Prohm stays.
$55m in debt, new coach.
$50m in debt, Prohm stays.
$55m in debt, new coach.
I have watched maybe 1 half of basketball all year. Not worth my time, and I know I am not alone.
Regardless of what happens with Prohm, the good news is, a basketball program can be turned around fairly fast.... much faster than football. With the transfer portal, Jucos, etc... it can be done in short order.
Which is the crux of the issue. The guys he's losing to transfer are guys he recruited who aren't able to play at a Big 12 level and leave for lesser competition. I think you could maybe see some more of that.
personally, I’d rather lose guys that aren’t able to play at a big 12 level caliber and try and replace them with better talent than rather lose the talented guys to other teams due to transfer and try and replace them.
