Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)
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A study of Fox News during the first three weeks of the outbreak shows incredibly likely criminal liability.
When people say "you can't yell fire in a crowded theater"...they were yelling "no fire here" in a building that was clearly on fire to tens of millions of viewers.
CNN/MSNBC is sensationalized garbage too, but there's only one major news tv network that told people this was all fake for a few weeks. (it was Fox News)
Read the New York Times and your local paper.
While I’m generally very pro CNN they have not been good through this IMO. This has IMO exasperated their problem of sensationalism regardless of politics.
And the problem is that even if you WERE willing to kill off people (which we've been told is cool now that Trump is president), it doesn't solve the potential problems at Tyson's. Because someone from Tyson's will come home infect his wife an she'll go to work in the nursing home and infect Grandpa.
I think the only solution is to shut it down. It wouldn't have to be for long. Maybe a week. But get it cleaned out and don't let anyone in there that hasn't tested negative.
I have an uncle that is getting concerned about getting his hogs sold and he hasn't gone to Tyson's to sell in years, so I understand the concern. But letting the virus run crazy in that factory is not the answer.
The problem with CNN isn't that they're pointing out Trump's unprecedented unfit behavior. Every outlet should be doing VAST AMOUNTS of this or we have no chance to get back to the level of discourse we had before.
When Trump claims "total authority" and "no responsibility" simultaneously...that has to be a continuing top story at all times. Otherwise let's just move to Russia because we have our own Putin style government.
CNN is not great news coverage. What Fox News did for 3-4 weeks was literally criminal by lying to the public that this was all fake and should be ignored. If I'm handing out % grades it's a C 75% vs an F 10%.
They don't think Iowa closed schools until the fourth, it also says we haven't closed non essential businesses, but we basically have. They are using bad information.
Never fear then, any week now Reynolds will have her own model out built on the correct assumptions - which she's so confident in she's prohibited the U of I from talking publicly about it. That model, I'm certain, will provide an accurate picture.
As far as I can tell this is what they are doing. It seems Reynolds has ordered all employees of these plants to be tested and contact traced.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news...l-04-17-20/h_49337d013ba0a87b779c2aac49bfef7d
The reason I'm hitting the "people will die" angle is because you've said we should not accept that people have to die. That's just something we have to understand going forward. People have already died and will continue to die. We just have to do the best to make that number smaller. X people would die from the virus if we had done nothing, Y people would die if we kept up current measures, and Z would die if we start relaxing them in a few weeks. We don't know the difference in X,Y, and Z and even the experts are only making best guesses at this point.
I agree to a point - I don't think we must test the entire population prior to any reduction in containment measures. We need to get to a point where new cases are falling and down to some acceptably low level. We need to have enough tests and personnel available so that we can fully test and contact trace small outbreaks.
The reality is, we'll never know the future. We have to decide which risks we're willing to take. We will never know if relaxing measures will result in a complete resurgence of the virus. There are too many asymptomatic people to catch them all. We can't test all 325 million Americans on the same day and then isolate the positives. There are going to be people who slip through the cracks. There will always be that chance that it comes back. So, we have to do our best and let the experts lead us in how we can slowly try to roll back restrictions. We also have to cross our fingers that in this hyper partisan political environment the smartest people in the room will be listened to because we all know that hasn't always happened.
I gotta ask, as a former EMT and having had several jobs that employed a similar employee base as those who typically work on meatpacking floors; who has worked in this environment? I have a sneaking suspicion that many of the people voicing the opinions on what should be the next step, have never either been in that environment or understand fully that you just aren't walking into an office building, a john deere manufacturing, or something similiar.
I've spent time in packing plants and I still have no concept of how to handle that particular situation.
My general opinions on what we should do come from family, friends and coworkers stories from Taiwan and South Korea. Seem to be the two best responses even though they have more population density than even NYC, I happen to know some people in both countries. Some of their actions we can't take because Americans act different (even though we're comparing ourselves to modern free wealthy nations), others we can't because we were already too slow, some of it we can still emulate if we are willing to learn from others.
We should try to come out of this in the way that has the best proven track record in other developed countries. It's not the time to assume we know the most, we don't have the most experience in this sort of thing. Washington state might have slightly more experience only because they're a month further along in it. I'd hope every state leader has been listening to what Washington state's leaders have said through the whole process.
Yeah, it's an environment it is fairly unique. Your statement about Americans acting differently is spot on in its statement and in reverse. I've overseen immigrants from europe, central american, new zealand, Tanzania, and malaysia off the top of my head. Culture differences can be more difficult than language at times.
Nobody should give a flying **** about wearing a mask for a few months. Seriously, that's no big deal. I've seen asian people wearing them for years in southern california, they think it's rude not to during flu season and if we didn't understand that perspective before we should now.
I get it if someone is struggling to find one or wear one, but we need to get over any stigma ASAP. People snickered and laughed at recent Asian immigrants here in masks for years...but I think it makes the transition easier in places like Seattle, SF and LA. We're just wearing a mask like many Asian people have been for years at our grocery stores.
No, what I said was "X number of people will die." Meaning, no matter what the upcoming mitigation strategies are, the virus will kill the same amount of people.
I don't think it's unreasonable to demand a testing and contact tracing plan before reducing mitigation. Understanding the plan will not be perfect.
Want a business loan? Need a business plan.
Want to construct a building? Need a build permit.
Want to open the country after tens of thousands have died due to a pandemic? **** it, let's go.
Id imagine more essential but not really essential businesses are open than you’d think
I saw a FED EX delivery guy bang on 4 different doors across the street from my office. No one answered he took the package back in with him. The whole block was shut down-CLOSED.
We were estimated to be 80-81% open, Minnesota quoted they are 78% open. I question if that 2% is what triples the death total for a state half the size.
Yeah, per the model, deaths in Minnesota only goes up by 84 people with the last death on May 13th...they are currently averaging around 10 per day. Heck, they only have New York with roughly 4,000 more total deaths through August...they are currently seeing 1,000 per day.
Then we are well and truly screwed...I did a very unscientific mask count while waiting for curbside delivery at the local Lowes...2 of 31 people going in had masks. It's like a seat belt...seems confining and unnatural at first, but the more you wear it the more you forget about it. Wear the masks when you can...
I wore a N95 with a breather for 7 days a week, 4 hours a day for five years and I still never could get used to it. Not saying people shouldn't wear them, just saying that I never could get used to it.
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