Coronavirus Coronavirus: In-Iowa General Discussion (Not Limited)

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Urbandale2013

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Devastatingly damning considering Reynolds spent the last part of today's press conference imploring people to hold on for just two more weeks. That model says June 29, and that is with extensive testing, contact tracing, etc. which - let's just put this generously - seems unlikely to happen.

I speculated yesterday that Reynolds turned down the invitation to join Wisconsin, Illinois, et al because she didn't want to be embarrassed when we lagged so far behind their progress, and welp:

Would someone be able to explain the methodology here? I guess I’m just not understanding it based on just the map. There’s got to be some methodology behind it but it definitely isn’t clear from this.
 

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Time to open up Iowa. This was the biggest exaggeration of all time. University of Stanford has done the most in-depth review and they haven’t played party lines. They have continued to show the data that this virus is a complete overreaction.

Might have to upgrade my CF membership just so I can use the dumb button on this post.
 

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-Hygiene practices being used now should be implemented forever
-Masks should be worn once things open up by everybody for at least a few weeks
-We need to permanently adopt the cultural norm in many Asian countries that if you have any symptoms of any sickness you stay home if at all possible and if you have to go out wear a mask


going to need a major shift from employers to stop viewing people taking sick days as weak or unreliable. Coming to work sick should not be some sort of badge of honor.
 

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Listened to black hawk county press conference. They are pissed. We’ve got a big mess on our hands with Tyson’s. They don’t think the governor is acting in good faith when it relates to Tyson’s.

Lies somewhere in between. Tyson shipping people between plants was reckless and they out and out lied about it to every agency that asked. The governor didn't put enough pressure on them to get the real truth and over. Frankly, meat packing plants in this state have been allowed to pretty much do whatever they want because its so vital to the economy and you're not going to get a lot of people that want to work in that environment without bending some labor and immigration laws.

Also, keep in mind the political affiliation of every person that spoke today and the fact that Thompson is going to have a very competitve race to keep the sherriff's office this fall.
 

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going to need a major shift from employers to stop viewing as people taking sick days as weak or unreliable. Coming to work sick should not be some sort of badge of honor.

And, if people are proving that they can be productive working from home, it should now be common practice to allow for that.
 
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Dude. CNN is a joke. Fox is biased too, but CNN is a flat out joke right now. It's like they're cheering for Armageddon just so they can beat Trump.

A reporter asked Trump what he says to people who are scared and worried and he said "I tell them you're a terrible reporter."

That's not only a fair question, it's a softball that any fit leader knocks out of the park and is thrilled to answer. It's the kind of question that, when answered by a fit leader, leads to W having a 92% approval rating after 911. Not with this guy, he's simply unfit.

We've always had divisions but the vast majority of the hyper partisan situation we are in sits squarely on Trump's shoulders. I mean the guy got his start in politics by lying that his own investigators had proven the sitting president was not an American.

You can't be mad at CNN when they cover an unfit leader's unfit behavior. Any outlet who doesn't point out how THIS IS NOT NORMAL is not doing their job adequately at all.
 

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Dude. CNN is a joke. Fox is biased too, but CNN is a flat out joke right now. It's like they're cheering for Armageddon just so they can beat Trump.

One CNN wins awards for journalism, the other bills itself as entertainment, that would be Fox.

The next time Fox wins an award for journalism will be its first. One is propaganda the other leans left but is news.
 

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I agree with what you're saying except point 2B. We could endure the current circumstances longer, but not forever. Logistically, we can't. We would run out of the things we need to live and effectively fight the virus. In terms of morale, we're already seeing large groups of people actively pushing back against quarantine measures. The difference between this and the London Blitz is that we aren't having bombs dropping in neighborhoods to continually remind people that it is dangerous. If people don't have a regular reminder of the personal danger to themselves, they will not be willing to continue extreme safety measures.

We can slow the spread of the virus, but that does not mean that there is not a number of people who will die. Unless we completely stop the virus, then there are a certain number of people who will die even with current or stricter measures. People are dying now, even in the places with the strictest quarantines. There are a certain number of people who will die, regardless of what we do.

I don't think it's foolish to start talking about reducing mitigation strategies. I think the opposite is true - people need to know that there is a plan and a strategy to rachet things down. If people can see a light at the end of the tunnel, they will push harder to get there. If we have specific goals - i.e. increasing testing to some certain level that we need to hit before re-opening, let's announce those. Then people know what we need and can work toward it and/or push politicians for it.

First, I'm not saying people won't die. Obviously they will. It's about dramatically reducing the number of deaths. Reducing mitigation efforts will increase the spread of the virus. I think you'd agree with that. Without good testing, no one will know when the virus surges until people start showing up at the hospital again. That's how we got into this predicament on the first place.

Next, unless people are confident in the information they have (again testing) and reports it's safe to visit restuarants, bars, etc., they won't go even if the businesses are open.

I agree we need goals but we need hard truth as well.

Goal #1: Testing

Until we can test individuals, in the numbers required, reducing mitigation isn't a good idea.

Individuals don't control test production so that isn't an incentive for people to stay home. In fact, it will do the opposite. It will frusterate people since its out of their control.

Without testing, we don't know if "the light at the end of tunnel" is truly the end or the light of the train coming head on.

No reduction in mitigation without proper testing and a plan for contact tracing I think that's more than fair to expect.
 

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Listened to black hawk county press conference. They are pissed. We’ve got a big mess on our hands with Tyson’s. They don’t think the governor is acting in good faith when it relates to Tyson’s.

Maybe they all just don't have the same information the governor has.
 

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Are local outlets reporting an increase in Iowa?

Living in CA and having most of my family in Iowa I've compared the cases and deaths per million daily.

Both states have been in the middle or slightly better than average per person for most of the outbreak but in the last few days Iowa cases per million have matched or passed CA's for the first time.
 

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Lies somewhere in between. Tyson shipping people between plants was reckless and they out and out lied about it to every agency that asked. The governor didn't put enough pressure on them to get the real truth and over. Frankly, meat packing plants in this state have been allowed to pretty much do whatever they want because its so vital to the economy and you're not going to get a lot of people that want to work in that environment without bending some labor and immigration laws.

Also, keep in mind the political affiliation of every person that spoke today and the fact that Thompson is going to have a very competitve race to keep the sherriff's office this fall.

I'm guessing the mayors of La Porte City, Gilbertville, and Dunkerton aren't Democrats and they signed the letter.

I hadn't thought of the fact that a lot of those Tyson workers are partnered with people who work in the health care field...that's ****** up.

And I grew up near Waterloo. I'm not sure why Kim and her merry band of idiots wouldn't assume Tyson was going to lie about shipping up workers. Why would you believe that company?

They need to shut down the plant for a week and get every single ******* worker tested before they can step into that plant. It will suck for the farmers affected. But it will eventually have to happen but you might as well get it over with.
 

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Are local outlets reporting an increase in Iowa?

Living in CA and having most of my family in Iowa I've compared the cases and deaths per million daily.

Both states have been in the middle or slightly better than average per person for most of the outbreak but in the last few days Iowa cases per million have matched or passed CA's for the first time.

Much like in the rest of the country, I think Iowans are ignoring the problem......

But this meat packing plant thing is a BIG problem. This is much bigger than a bunch of old people dying in a nursing home.
 

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Dude. CNN is a joke. Fox is biased too, but CNN is a flat out joke right now. It's like they're cheering for Armageddon just so they can beat Trump.
Cable news in general is ridiculous but Fox is on a completely different level. I only see short clips here and there of any cable news so I can't comment on CNN openly rooting for armageddon. What specifically have they said? I actually think CNN takes it way too easy on Trump considering the way he's talked to and about them the entire time he's been in office. That and the fact he's an unfit lying sack of **** who deserves to be called out and dragged every time he opens his mouth.
 
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