Terrence Lewis transferring

[Statefan10]

He's had multiple years with plenty of opportunities to carve out more playing time with all the injuries and attrition we have had and he still could not find a way to play with some consistency. He plays piss poor defense, has mental lapses during the game - see his last play as a Cyclone as a prime example where he had what should of been the game winning dunk turn into giving up the game winner because he was too busy flexing to the crowd instead of getting back on defense to stop the ball, and offensively he has been terribly inconsistent with his production as well. A 4 star recruit 3 years in on a 20 loss team has no one but himself to blame with the results we saw when he was given minutes. On a team desperate for offense he couldn't even become a 1 dimensional sharpshooter shooting just .325 from 3pt this year which sadly was also a career high for him.

I don't see him or Griffin as huge losses, both were disappointments as 4 star recruits. Having them for depth would have been nice but I doubt either were going to take a huge step forward and become a Big 12 caliber starter next season. Grill is the one that I think hurts because he reminds you so much of Matt Thomas. Plays hard nosed defense and just needs a little time to develop and gain confidence in his shot and we started to see some glimpses of that late in the season when he got more minutes.

Grill was going to get better but it likely was not going to happen over night. He would've received some minutes next year but if Prohm is truly going a few immediate guys, Grill might see a place like UNLV as a better fit for significant playing time. The only reason Grill played a lot minutes down the stretch of the season was because both Bolton and Halliburton got hurt. There was literally no one else. Even with that depleted roster after the injuries, Lewis and Griffin saw the floor sparingly, and yet everyone is freaking out about their departures.

 

[CycloneErik]

I don’t think CSP will be able to deal with JUCO players or transfers and they won’t will be able to deal with him

I don't think he can even get them here.

 

[moores2]

Two non-shooting big men at the same time... not sure that ends well.

Not sure I want to see either of them defending on the perimeter.

Solomon is at his best on the block, using that big body to create or deny space to the other team, and Conditt is at his best looking for blocks.

Those advantages are completely gone if they are guarding a 4 on the wing.

I think we saw late in the year, Solo was actually pretty good as an on ball defender (had pretty good active hands as well). And just because he can't shoot threes doesn't mean he didn't knock down mid range jumpers (which would still spread the floor at the 4 position).

 

[madguy30]

Not really, every year the amount of transfers goes up.

Going to wait and see how next year goes and if its not markedly better, then I'm 100% ready for a new coach.

Unless next year's class is the Fab Five I'm not sure how that happens.

 

[Rabbuk]

I don't think he can even get them here.

Ya why would a JUCO come here when they aren't really even guaranteed that Prohm's rotations will make sense or the best players will be played.

 

[Statefan10]

I think we saw late in the year, Solo was actually pretty good as an on ball defender (had pretty good active hands as well). And just because he can't shoot threes doesn't mean he didn't knock down mid range jumpers (which would still spread the floor at the 4 position).

But Conditt was essentially ineffective on offense down low..

 

[67CY]

Will there be a JP email or tweet soon telling everyone to relax because CSP has everything under control?

 

[Cyinthenorth]

No I don't think so either. I think Prohm's going to go all in, because maybe he doesn't have a choice.. Maybe Jamie gave him an ultimatum? No clue, but I think Prohm is reloading this reload this roster with JUCO / transfers, and then is going to plug in the freshman to contribute some as well. That freshman class right now looks to be something to build off of and if he can have a good year next year by bringing in talented guys in the portal / JUCO, then this might work out. It will only work out if next year goes well and then this freshman class stays together more than 1 or 2 years.

Good for Jaime if he really threw down the gauntlet like that. "Steve, you need to get better players in here ASAP these guys aren't cutting it"

 

[Rabbuk]

Will there be a JP email or tweet soon telling everyone to relax because CSP has everything under control?

Hey we are building a god damn pedestrian bridge.

 

[moores2]

Indeed.

It sounds like Johnson or one of the newcomers, either Foster or Blackwell or maybe Dubar right now before adding anybody, is going to need to be that guy to be serviceable on defense *and* offense against big wings at the 4.

Solomon and Conditt just need to go hard and split 20/20 at the 5.

So no Foster minutes at the 5 position?

 

[moores2]

But Conditt was essentially ineffective on offense down low..

That may have changed having a 4 defend him rather than the 5. I would think that Solo would have the 5 on him.

 

[Scott34]

I wouldn't be heartbroken, but we both know it ain't happen. It seems we have two options as fans: bring in as many good players as they can, hope a couple are big 12 quality, and the team pushes for a tournament bid. Or, hope the team falls on its face, and Prohm gets fired next spring. I would rather have a winning season.

Haliburton is atleast a top 10 lottery pick with a somewhat experienced lineup and they couldnt even sniff the tournament but you think they will next year? Good luck with that

 

[Cycl1]

Right, but going back in time is not an option, and just stating "fire Prohm" on a message board doesn't do much.

The current position the program is in isn't going change, and given the option I would much rather Prohm go out and get new players. They're not all going to be great, but if one is really good, and another is serviceable, then the team is better next year.

Better? We have 4 returning players. Conditt hasn't hit double figures for scoring since January 4, and only saw 20 minutes or more of playing time 3 times in 2020.

Solomon young has been so inconsistent he thought about transferring mid season. He didn't even play 20 minutes against the big 12 8 seed and had 0 points that game.

Jackson was scoreless in 9 games last year.

Bolton is our only sure thing.

 

[Drew0311]

LOL. Grill was extremely athletic, and who know what Zion was going to be. These were all highly rated players.

That means nothing. If you are not a good basketball player it does not matter how athletic you are.

 

[WhoISthis]

Will there be a JP email or tweet soon telling everyone to relax because CSP has everything under control?

Maybe dust off the tweets talking about transferring being an issue in today’s game?

 

[Bubba Hubba]

Honestly the guys who have transferred out were not that good or even big 12 good. So hopefully we can replace them with some better talent or more upside. Spring recruiting has not been kind to us of late. That’s what scares me

Mostly agree, but Grill could be B12 good in 1-2 years.

 

[Sigmapolis]

So, you are happy with the combo's CSP put on the court last year? Pathetic. Neither has to be a great shooting perimeter - you can still play with 2 solid post defenders/shot blockers but your guards can't play "Look Out" defense like Nixon, Haliburton, Jackson and Bolton did all last year - half the time they looked like lamp posts out there.....Hope you enjoy another 20 loss season next year....

This is college basketball. It is supposed to be fun.

You might want to relax a little.

 

[Statefan10]

Good for Jaime if he really threw down the gauntlet like that. "Steve, you need to get better players in here ASAP these guys aren't cutting it"

Maybe Jamie said that, maybe Steve consciously evaluated everyone and said we gotta make some changes. Either way this is exactly what literally everyone wanted to happen, but when you dissect further than that people are getting upset. For us to get better next year, these guys were going to have to leave.

 

[awd4cy]

Unless next year's class is the Fab Five I'm not sure how that happens.

Yea, hes going to have to nail a transfer market like hes never done before. And before someone says "Shayok" that won't be close to enough for next year sadly.

 

[ChickenNuggetMan]

(3 of the worst shooters and players leave) (Prohm actively trying to find better players)

5. 5 players left the program this year. Doesn’t matter if they’re our worst 5 either, that many players leaving a program is indicative of a huge problem. And when half the players Prohm recruits aren’t good enough to play at this level anyway, then it’s really bad.