Interesting Article About Raiding the PAC-12

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Now, imagine nobody watching the 9:00 OU/USC game. That's part of the problem that the Pac-12 has now. The west coast people don't watch football, and 9:00 PM (10:00 PM EST) start is too late for the people in the east who are interested in watching football.

How many people on the East Coast are watching the Big 12 now, no matter the time? Its great now playing everyone in the conference on a yearly basis, but what happens when the TV money falls further and further behind the SEC and Big 10?

This move guts the Pac 12 and makes the new Big 12 the premium conference from the Missouri River to the Pacific Ocean. A conference ready to match up with both the SEC and Big 10.

 

[norcalcy]

About 80% of the US population resides in the Central and Eastern time zones. California is a terrible college football market. Arizona, Washington and Oregon can’t overcome that. As much as I would love ISU making trips to this part of the world, I’m not sure making trips to LA, SF and Seattle For late night games is a formula for success.

 

[helechopper]

I wish we had Dan Beebe back at the helm. He could fix this problem.

 

[isu81]

How many people on the East Coast are watching the Big 12 now, no matter the time? Its great now playing everyone in the conference on a yearly basis, but what happens when the TV money falls further and further behind the SEC and Big 10?

This move guts the Pac 12 and makes the new Big 12 the premium conference from the Missouri River to the Pacific Ocean. A conference ready to match up with both the SEC and Big 10.

LOL

 

[awd4cy]

Regional Conferences
8 Team Playoff
1 Team from each Conference
1 G5 Team
1 At-Large team

West Coast Conference
Arizona
Arizona State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
UCLA
USC
Utah
Washington
Washington State
California

Midwest Conference
Colorado
Illinois
Iowa
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Minnesota
Missouri
Nebraska
Northwestern
Wisconsin

Southern Conference
Arkansas
Baylor
LSU
Mississippi State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Ole Miss
TCU
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Southeastern Conference
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Miami
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Great Lakes Conference
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Ohio State
Purdue
Penn State
Pittsburgh
West Virginia

East Coast Conference
Boston College
Duke
Louisville
Maryland
NC State
North Carolina
Rutgers
Syracuse
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

That would be terribly lopsided. The Midwest and East Coast ones would be the laughing stock of college football.

 

[awd4cy]

Also if the PAC 12 implodes, how hilarious would it be if Colorado got left behind.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

LOL

The Big 12 can either be proactive and make something happen for the future, or sit back and hope that OU and Texas stay content being the large fish in a small pond.

Currently Texas is leading the way with money coming into their atheletic department, and OU is in the top 12. What happens when Big 10 tens are getting 60 million or more per year from their TV contract and SEC teams are in the mid 50's. Currently the Big 12 contract made each school around 38 million, say it rises to 43 million under the new contract. How is Texas going to handle making the same cash from TV as any member of the Big 10?

Is anyone here willing to risk the of ISU's athletic department on keeping UT and OU content, or be on board with trying to do something that will cement ISU in a P5 conference for decades to come.

 

[cykee05]

That would be terribly lopsided. The Midwest and East Coast ones would be the laughing stock of college football.

True, that was just a quick look at what it could be based strictly on geography. Could swap out Kansas schools for Michigan schools. No matter what you do the East Coast is garbage unless Penn St. and Clemson both were included there. Plenty of opportunities to distribute the power schools.

 

[Al_4_State]

If the Pac 12's best teams joined the Big 12, you would NOT have 9PM central kicks. That's ******* insane. Those ratings will be trash, like the current late night Pac 12 games are.

 

[CascadeClone]

I wish we had Dan Beebe back at the helm. He could fix this problem.

I miss Fake Dan Beebe on twitter. Guy was hilarious.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Now, imagine nobody watching the 9:00 OU/USC game. That's part of the problem that the Pac-12 has now. The west coast people don't watch football, and 9:00 PM (10:00 PM EST) start is too late for the people in the east who are interested in watching football.

That all changes if a Big 12 team is playing late though. The possibility of the Big 12 having the ability to play games in all of the time slots is awesome. It would set up for the possibility of a monster TV contract.

 

[Cyched]

Selfishly I love the pac 12 after dark games

 

[scyclonekid]

If we have the opportunity to raid their conference do it, time to be proactive not reactive cause Iowa state just can’t call up the big ten for an invite. We need to be forever cemented in P5 and this would do that and plus have all time zones covered.

 

[Al_4_State]

Selfishly I love the pac 12 after dark games

I farm and I would love to have an ISU game kick at 9 to help keep me going late on a Saturday, but I understand why 90% of people would hate it and realize that the ratings are going to be garbage.

 

[LLCoolCY]

If the Pac 12's best teams joined the Big 12, you would NOT have 9PM central kicks. That's ******* insane. Those ratings will be trash, like the current late night Pac 12 games are.

There would be some 9PM kicks, home games in Washington, Oregon and California dictates that will occur. The huge difference is right now that there best match ups are often at that time with only a couple 3PM kicks scheduled. Having teams in the Central time zone would allow USC, Oregon, UCLA's multiple opportunities to play marquee games at 11AM/1PM time slots more importantly going head to head against the Big 10/SEC matchups and exposure.

I have to believe Fox, ESPN and NBC would be willing to pay much more for Texas USC matchup to go against CBS Florida/Vandy or Ohio State/Rutgers match up and get those east coast viewers. USC/UCLA/Oregon are national names that would bring East coaster viewership just not when they start at 9PM on Friday night.

 

[NWICY]

Yes that would be cool, but that would be a nearly irrelevant sports league to the east, south, and west, ie 90% of the country. No one would watch. Better sign up for the Ocho to catch most games, because that's where they'd be. With the resulting TV contract revenue.

As much as I don't like saying it, being connected to Texas (the school and the state) really helps with money, recruiting and national interest in ISU. Being connected to AZ and Cali would probably help more.

And I say this as someone who HATES 14-team league scheduling...

I really think the whole California thing is overrated. They've got some traditionally strong teams that aren't right now (USC,UCLA) Stanford is up and down. Lots of people out there but for the most part they don't care about college sports too many other things to do.

I have no idea how the whole realignment thing will go down when or if it does. I just hope ISU lands in a good spot our fan base is better than most when it comes to attending events, not just the marque games.

 

[jbhtexas]

That all changes if a Big 12 team is playing late though. The possibility of the Big 12 having the ability to play games in all of the time slots is awesome. It would set up for the possibility of a monster TV contract.

It might change a little bit if the Big 12 opponent is OU or UT. Otherwise, it's just really hard to envision a bunch of additional people tuning in at 9:00 PM to watch the other Big 12 teams play a Pac-12 team. Going the other way, the early central time zone slots are 9:00 AM and 11:00 AM for the west coast people, and they aren't going to be watching early.

I can't imagine much worse for a team used to playing in the afternoon and early evening than having to sit around until 9:00 PM to play a game, and then traveling back home.

The Pac-12 footprint has over 65 million people, yet the Pac-12 can't get viewers for their games, and they can't support a P5 sports network. Unless the people living on the west coast have major philosophical shift in their feeling towards college FB (and college sports in general), those 9:00 PM ratings are going to remain poor. Networks aren't going to fork over monster money for that.

 

[jbhtexas]

The Big 12 can either be proactive and make something happen for the future, or sit back and hope that OU and Texas stay content being the large fish in a small pond.

Currently Texas is leading the way with money coming into their atheletic department, and OU is in the top 12. What happens when Big 10 tens are getting 60 million or more per year from their TV contract and SEC teams are in the mid 50's. Currently the Big 12 contract made each school around 38 million, say it rises to 43 million under the new contract. How is Texas going to handle making the same cash from TV as any member of the Big 10?

Is anyone here willing to risk the of ISU's athletic department on keeping UT and OU content, or be on board with trying to do something that will cement ISU in a P5 conference for decades to come.

Let's just do round numbers...10 Big 12 teams get $40 million each...so the total TV payout is $400 million. So let's say you want to add 4 Pac-12 teams and you hope for a $50 million per team TV payout. 14 x $50 million = $700 million. Which four Pac-12 teams are worth an additional $300 million in TV revenue? For reference, In 2019, the entire Pac-12 media distribution was $354 million. These numbers just don't work.

 

[CascadeClone]

Let's just do round numbers...10 Big 12 teams get $40 million each...so the total TV payout is $400 million. So let's say you want to add 4 Pac-12 teams and you hope for a $50 million per team TV payout. 14 x $50 million = $700 million. Which four Pac-12 teams are worth an additional $300 million in TV revenue? For reference, In 2019, the entire Pac-12 media distribution was $354 million. These numbers just don't work.

This is probably more a "hope" than fact argument, but...

USC and UCLA drive that bus; they have the history and the brand and the alumni following. They have been kind of crap since Pete Carrol/Reggie Bush days. Someday they will get good coaches again and be more relevant. And winning will bring more fans/eyeballs to the money party. Kind of a value play. Maybe.

And Arizona just keeps gaining population (nearly doubled past 20 years), so those 2 schools should have some capital appreciation over time too.

 

[SEIOWA CLONE]

Let's just do round numbers...10 Big 12 teams get $40 million each...so the total TV payout is $400 million. So let's say you want to add 4 Pac-12 teams and you hope for a $50 million per team TV payout. 14 x $50 million = $700 million. Which four Pac-12 teams are worth an additional $300 million in TV revenue? For reference, In 2019, the entire Pac-12 media distribution was $354 million. These numbers just don't work.

What is the value of ISU or Texas Tech to the contract? That is what we should be asking, is it equal to Texas or OU? Not even in the ballpark. Same would hold true in the Pac 12, USC, Oregon, Washington are worth more in revenue than Cal, Oregon St. and Washington St. It sucks but that is where we are at.

Would adding 4 to 6 premium teams from the Pac 12 bring the revenue up to equal of the Big 10 or SEC, I doubt it. But it would ensure that ISU would be in a P5 conference, with more money to work with that we now enjoy. To me, that is worth a couple of 9:00 PM start times each year, plus we get to see those schools in JTS.