The WTF factor could be pretty high with Fred, too, sometimes, but at least it was not quite as frequent as it has been with Prohm this past season.
This is why Prohm must go........
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The WTF factor could be pretty high with Fred, too, sometimes, but at least it was not quite as frequent as it has been with Prohm this past season.
I don't understand how people can possibly believe ISU will be better next season when it is painfully obvious we're going to be much worse than this year.
That'll make it losing seasons in 3 of the last 4. Will that be good enough for everyone?
That'll make it losing seasons in 3 of the last 4. Will that be good enough for everyone?
I would like to see it happen first.
You never know what the fine details of the actual season might tell you, and you would have information about how recruiting has gone in the meantime.
But I doubt you'll find anybody left in the Prohm camp if we're 1/4.
We're going to be last in the Big 12 or really close to it 2 out of 3 seasons, and next season looks like more of the same. Sorry, guys, but that's a lot of losing and is unacceptable.
Agree. I wonder if Steve watched what HuggyBear did in the first three minutes of their game this week? WV came out soft on the press, they called a TO and ALL FIVE starters were benched. Could you ever imagine Prohm doing this?
I didn't really say that. My point is pretty much Prohm has hit the same highs as Fred but we already hit those highs to their impact is less.
And its not really here or there, but don't act like Fred didn't flirt with disaster or have some awful games. Winning by 2 against MVSU in 2011, losing by 9 at Drake in 2011, losing at Tech in 2012 when they went 3-15, or again at Tech in 2015 when they finished last in the Big 12. If the 2011 team lost that MVSU game, it would have been a worst loss Kenpom rankings wise than the Florida A&M game.
That 2011-12 team improved substantially throughout the course of the season; everyone started to understand their role and the team developed an identity (see highlights). Does that happen with ISU basketball anymore?
Didn’t say you did. I’m saying it.
2 of the worst home losses in school history were Steve Prohm teams. Plus Getting spanked by Iowa and KU at Hilton are lower lows than Fred ever had.
Just the 2014-2015 team --
South Carolina
@ Texas Tech
Baylor (we stopped making fun of Scott Drew after that one)
@ Kansas State (we quite literally dropped the ball to lose that one)
We are probably a #1 or #2 seed if we won those -- plus winning the Big 12 regular season by two games (or one game if you give back Baylor).
But yes, at least that team would also beat good Arkansas, Iowa, Kansas, and OU teams.
Considering there were only 8 teams in 1944 its an apples to oranges comparison.
If you mean higher than Sweet 16 only once since the tournament went to 64 teams then just say that. Otherwise, don't take away ISU's only Final Four appearance (so far).
I think your point is still valid.
Agree. But not to mention wasn't the NIT the more prestigious tourney back then?
Thank you! I can't stand watching Huggy, I hate the way he talks to his players. .....however he didn't go from bottom of the conference to rated team in one year just by talent on the floor. He COACHES
Next year's team could be one of the worst in a long, long time.
Yes, however with only 8 NIT teams and 8 NCAA teams being in either was still very rare air. And that year Utah managed to play in both so there were actually only 15 teams between the two and ISU defeated Pepperdine to make it to the Final Four.
It sure is too bad that the g league and transfer market is only affecting ISU and that these aren't issues every team in the country has to deal with..........
I mean, I get the point you are trying to make, but the landscape has changed for everyone. If prohm can't adapt then he doesn't have a future.
You are right that everybody has to deal with this new situation, but I would think it would be fair to say that Iowa State was disproportionally affected by them this one time. We had two guys (THT and LW) who projected well to the D-League right as that league was expanded and coming into its own as an option for guys at that tier.
Ten years ago, THT and LW would still be in cardinal and gold and probably killing it this year. Even just having one of them back would change this year much, assuming the spot for the other one still goes to Bolton to fill out the starting backcourt.
You are right we gotta learn to deal with the new reality with more aplomb than we have.
You are correct. Everyone has to deal with this now. And I think this season is really showing how college basketball is being hit. Just look at Baylor, Dayton, SDSU, and FSU being Top 10 teams this year. The teams that have a higher collective of older players who have played together longer are doing quite well.
And I'd agree, if Prohm can't figure it out, he doesn't have a coaching future at Iowa State.
