It's Possible......

[ZuriCyclone]

Insane how Quickly Prohm destroyed everything Fred built with great difficulty.

 

[Cyinthenorth]

Insane how Quickly Prohm destroyed everything Fred built with great difficulty.

He has torn it down almost as quickly. Program reared its head to strike back last year. Alas, no venom in that bite. Unless it was a self inflicting one. This year can't be explained. A rebuilding year and being on the bubble or NIT would probably buy prohm a pass. But that's not what this is.

 

[kingcy]

He has torn it down almost as quickly. Program reared its head to strike back last year. Alas, no venom in that bite. Unless it was a self inflicting one. This year can't be explained. A rebuilding year and being on the bubble or NIT would probably buy prohm a pass. But that's not what this is.

It is a weird situation. He almost did too good of job in recruiting and now that is coming back to bite him. By the sounds of it THT and LW checked out early last year. If you put one or both of LW or THT on this team it is a different year. It takes talent to win at this level, it take even more talent when you are not an amazing x and o's guy.

 

[BryceC]

Clearly this was made in jest. But this is beginning to be a real problem.

This is realistically a 4 or 5 year rebuild. Couple for Prohm to play out his contract, couple for the new guy to rebuild. Realignment coming and we can’t have b-ball like this.

I know Pollard won’t fire him, and the big 12 is really bad at the bottom, so there are maybe a few games to steal out there. But right now, how many tickets can you sell next year?

It’s real a bad situation.

big 12 is really bad at the bottom. Unfortunately it’s us and KSU down there.

 

[BryceC]

You could hire this guy named Fran. I hear he can't recruit for ****, or can't really in-game coach, but does just enough to keep his job.

no joke... I’d trade straight up.

 

[BryceC]

You want to go down this road, have at it. Prohm had everything we thought we were looking for at the time. Nobody considered it a bad move. And nobody can predict the future.

again this doesn’t matter. It’s not his job to hire the guy everybody thinks will work out. It’s his job to hire the guy that will work out.

 

[chuckd4735]

Whoa what's this. I, for one, would have hired someone who instills a little "fear" into their players...a little tension regarding performance in practice and games.

If that's the case, I'm sure you can go find posts saying as much in 2015. If not, I'll assume you're talking in hindsight.

 

[chuckd4735]

No. Somebody offers you a job to double your salary, you're going to take it. Don't be stupid, Fred would still be here if he didn't have such a great offer from the NBA.

If the right circumstances present themselves, I bet Fred would come back.

I still think there is truth to the Travis Hines article, and that Fred and Jamie had many disagreements. I'm not sure Fred would come back unless Jamie changed his football first mentality, and I'm also not sure I want Jamie to change his mentality.

 

[ISUCY23]

Because he’s been, by far, a net positive for ISU athletics. Prohm was a good hire at the time.

He was?

 

[Lineup]

**** Fred

 

[CloneIce]

Honestly the only thing I think you can really blame Pollard for was extending McCarney in 2006 then firing him like five months later. Even that isn't that bad, because it was fresh off two straight seasons where we should have been the Big 12 North champ, so it made some sense at the time. Yet even then I think most people were realizing Mac had taken us as far as he could.

Mcdermott and his automatic context extensions was a far worse move.

 

[CloneIce]

If that's the case, I'm sure you can go find posts saying as much in 2015. If not, I'll assume you're talking in hindsight.

It doesn’t matter. It’s his job, and hires can only be evaluated accurately in hindsight.

 

[chuckd4735]

It doesn’t matter. It’s his job, and hires can only be evaluated accurately in hindsight.

Sure. But it's a great point, and one that's already been made, that Prohm was not technically Jamie's hire, it was Leaths. If Jamie had his way, TJ would be here.

 

[dosry5]

#TeamBridge

I feel like this bridge, that will go nowhere, may be a metaphor for this team...

 

[Clonefan32]

I still think there is truth to the Travis Hines article, and that Fred and Jamie had many disagreements. I'm not sure Fred would come back unless Jamie changed his football first mentality, and I'm also not sure I want Jamie to change his mentality.

He chose to go work at Nebraska. I can't imagine a "football first mentality" is too big of turnoff.

 

[Urbandale2013]

For starters, he did what we wanted him to do. Who ever complained when Prohm got raises or extensions? Nobody. Same as how nobody complains when Campbell gets them now.

As it happens, tonight I stumbled into Pollard's tweet from last March announcing Prohm's extension. It's full of replies, almost universally positive, including people I follow on Twitter who praised the move at the time and have since checked out entirely.

This is a total hindsight bias situation, and we're as much to blame as Pollard.

I don’t think it was super vocal or adamant but there were people who weren’t happy last year. Most were just in the if you can’t say anything nice mode.

 

[ForbinsAscynt]

A lot of people were hesitant about Prohm. You won’t find it in a Jaime tweet because mr. thin skinned blocked all of them.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

He chose to go work at Nebraska. I can't imagine a "football first mentality" is too big of turnoff.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[CycloneVet]

He chose to go work at Nebraska. I can't imagine a "football first mentality" is too big of turnoff.

Fred is all about Fred. Why this guy is still on a pedestal is mind blowing to me.

 

[Clonefan32]

Fred is all about Fred. Why this guy is still on a pedestal is mind blowing to me.

Just guessing, but I imagine it has something to do with turning our dumpster fire of a men's basketball program into a relevant, nationally recognized program and ushering in one of the best eras Iowa State basketball has ever seen.